LFR is a god send!

[Baine]

LFR should have been rewarding no gear though, so you could only see content, and not farm it for free epics.

So there would be no progression at all under normal?

[Deleted]

Nonsense. You play too see the story. You can see the story easily in videos. I watched those 2 games for the story on youtube. No reason you cannot do the same.

Why bother playing games all together then... Obviously it's all useless. What difference does it really make that I enjoy a game differently to you

[Automatic]

There's obviously little point continuing if that's your argument - We obviously play for VERY different reasons

Empathy is tricky when you're always right.

[Thetruth1400]

As someone who found themselves guildless and unable to raid anymore due to guild disbanding and not being able to find a guild of the same skill in need of a Warlock, LFR is still as useless now to me as when I was raiding Heroics.

LFR is a clusterfuck of morons and bad players, the best parts of raiding don't even exist in LFR as there's no mechanical challenge, no dps challenge, no friends, no satisfaction from a kill ect.

I currently am only playing my alts and getting professions ready for next expansion where hopefully I have better luck but I'd rather do a few bosses pugged a week than waste my time with LFR mess.

I agree with this. LFR is trash. It takes no skill and offers no challenge. Sure, people get to see the content, but they could easily see it in spectator mode or on youtube. Instead, there's this big elephant in the room that we don't talk about and that is the negative that the LFR system brings.

It offers nothing while making the content burn out in a month tops. Blizzard wonders why the game is tanking; LFR. Those people that want to see the content but put in no effort will play it for a week, beat it, then quit. Before, if they wanted to see it, they'd actually have to put in a little commitment or time to do so. LFR with normal difficulty, sure that's fine because it would force the players to actually communicate and work together with all the mechanics in place. As it stands now, the worst of the worst can show up, do nothing to contribute, and still succeed all while those that actually do try carry the trash around.

[Joey Ray III]

There was a huge amount of casuals who would hit dungeons and then walk away since there was nothing more they coul ddo in their time, LFR resolves that. Wow's numbers would be far worse if not for LFR. Raiding would be far worse without LFR to justify the resources.

Thems the facts, you can deny em but they is the facts.

maybe, maybe not. you can't know that and we have no way of finding out. that's your opinion not a fact.

[Deleted]

I agree with this. LFR is trash. It takes no skill and offers no challenge. Sure, people get to see the content, but they could easily see it in spectator mode or on youtube. Instead, there's this big elephant in the room that we don't talk about and that is the negative that the LFR system brings.

It offers nothing while making the content burn out in a month tops. Blizzard wonders why the game is tanking; LFR. Those people that want to see the content but put in no effort will play it for a week, beat it, then quit. Before, if they wanted to see it, they'd actually have to put in a little commitment or time to do so. LFR with normal difficulty, sure that's fine because it would force the players to actually communicate and work together with all the mechanics in place. As it stands now, the worst of the worst can show up, do nothing to contribute, and still succeed all while those that actually do try carry the trash around.

Again how does it affect you?

Do you really think the people that quit after a week would still play if LFR was removed?

[Aphrel]

why not just pug? goes faster to clear all 4 flex parts then it goes clearing the 4 lfr parts (and despite the increased difficulty you wipe less in flex).

[Beefkow]

I did a wing in LFR within an hour... I have done 5 LFR, longest was 2hrs... It's just hit & miss like everything

Well, tbh i was referencing to SoO LFR.

For example, people still wipe on general NAZ, even after the hotfix.

LFR in the past was "meh" but i wasn't really lucky with the loot.

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why not just pug? goes faster to clear all 4 flex parts then it goes clearing the 4 lfr parts (and despite the increased difficulty you wipe less in flex).

That is very true, got together a flex group of 540+ who knew the fights, went through wing 1 and 2 very quickly, but 3rd and 4th wing had its bumps on the road.

[Deleted]

Well, tbh i was referencing to SoO LFR.

For example, people still wipe on general NAZ, even after the hotfix.

LFR in the past was "meh" but i wasn't really lucky with the loot.

So was I Only wiped 8x total in all three wings... As I said it's hit & miss

[xenogear3]

Me too.

Raid is so stupid. Waste 8 minutes and down the boss to 10% hp.
Then, a small mistake and wipe.

Even you got lucky and down the boss. You got no loot. Try again next week.

[Beefkow]

So was I Only wiped 8x total in all three wings... As I said it's hit & miss

Pshhh... the highest i've gone was probably 10 wipes, man was i about to rage quit!

[Binko]

Then if you just want a cinematic experience you should just go watch youtube videos of WoW instead of be subbed to it. Don't feel bad I watched Beyond 2 souls / Heavy rain playthroughs on Youtube because just like LFR it's a mostly cinematic experience.

The snide, snotty and smug digs at LFR are getting extremely old. And there is not even the tiniest minute bit of truth to what you are saying. The vast majority of people that do LFR are making an honest effort and trying their best.

You people who are so deeply invested in crapping all over LFR must really have extremely fragile egos if you feel the need to constantly whine about and dump on a part of the game that you supposedly don't even play and that has absolutely no impact on your preferred play style.

[Automatic]

How can it be meaningless when I am having fun?

You aren't having the right kind of fun.

[Deleted]

In LFR, 25% of the people know what they're doing, a third of the people don't know but are trying, and the rest are afk/hopeless.
If Molten Core was considered raiding, then LFR should be considered raiding.

Nice!
I like LFR. Sure its a poor shadow of proper raiding, but since my old guild disbanded and I only play very casually now, its the only way I'll see all these raids.

[Deleted]

Pshhh... the highest i've gone was probably 10 wipes, man was i about to rage quit!

But surely if you're using an addon to group random for flex you have just as much chance getting AFKers and bads as LFR since it's doing exactly what LFR does

[anaxie]

Why bother playing games all together then... Obviously it's all useless. What difference does it really make that I enjoy a game differently to you

LFR isn't playing the game though. Not really

[Automatic]

According to who?

The guy you quoted and anaxie.

[Scarletpiston]

LFR isn't playing the game though. Not really

LFR certainly is playing the game, and the majority are doing just that, can we outvote you by our superior numbers and decide you are wasting your time on higher difficulties, all playing is a waste almost by definition.

[The Glitch]

Nonsense. You play too see the story. You can see the story easily in videos. I watched those 2 games for the story on youtube. No reason you cannot do the same.

It's not exactly playing the game if your watching youtube videos, perhaps we get fun from actually ya know experiencing the content aimed at us ourselves? You have no right to tell people what they should find fun.

If you don't like LFR, then fine, don't do it, but why do you feel you have the right to tell others that do enjoy LFR that they shouldn't?

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why not just pug? goes faster to clear all 4 flex parts then it goes clearing the 4 lfr parts (and despite the increased difficulty you wipe less in flex).

Oh really? A 4 wing flex Pug group can be done in an hour?

Because ya know sometimes all I have is an hour, or less a day, I can do one wing of LFR in that time. I can assure you I will never get 4 wings of a flexi pug done in that amount of time.

Which is what most people are trying to convey here, it's not about having no time to raid, it's about having limited allotments of time, which do not work well with scheduled guild raiding nor PUG groups.

LFR fixes that for those of us that have these time restraints.

[anaxie]

LFR certainly is playing the game, and the majority are doing just that, can we outvote you by our superior numbers and decide you are wasting your time on higher difficulties, all playing is a waste almost by definition.

Well I consider the worth of a Heroic player to be worth 10 LFR players.

makes no difference to me though. Everyone gets the illusion of a game to play which feeds into huge heroic raids for the 1% to play in since resources are spent on the creation of raid wings to fill out LFR movies.