Challenge mode BiS frost gear

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Hi guys. I know this thread as been started already, and I read it. Everyone said "as long as you are 463+ its ok". Well yeah, I know, I cleared gold with a capped haste build, which is kinda suboptimal at 463.

Now, a friend asked me to come and carry people for gold (not playing account, just carry a damage dealer). As the carried guy wont be a good player, I really need to pump the maximum damage possible.

But it seems really difficult to understand how all this works. The scaling seems quite messy tbh.

Does this rule will get me the absolute BiS set ? : -> Go to hitcap on gear. Equip only haste/mastery or haste/hit items with the maximum number of sockets. Reforge and gem everything to maximum haste. Then mastery then crit.

What about the trinkets ? DMF trinket + static's caster are BiS u think ?
I know that the guys who run for Records have a bis set. Eventually if you want to share your infos about that.. Trust me I will keep it for myself


Gonna try to make a BiS List. I will add items one by one as I find them. Please correct me if you think something is wrong. (gonna exclude very hard to get item like soo hc) Will add gems and reforge later. edit : actually cant talk at all about reforge as it depends on the item ilvl..

Head - http://www.wowhead.com/item=77533
Engineer goggles with 1 x600 haste 1 x600 mastery cogwheels and burning meta. No reforge
+1135 Intellect
+600 haste
+600 mastery
+3% increased critical effect

Necklace (bis is terra-cotta but as a random drop I rule it out, you can't really farm it) http://www.wowhead.com/item=100703
Pvp Neck.
+501 Intellect
+358 Haste
+293 Mastery

Spaulders http://www.wowhead.com/item=103808
Nazgrim spaulders
+508 Intellect
+258 Hit
+428 Haste
1 blue socket 1 yellow socket +180int bonus

Cloak http://www.wowhead.com/item=102246/x...reath-of-yulon
Legendary cloak. Raden might be better but its hard to get. This legendary cloak is superior to all others (even haste+mastery cloak) due to gem socket.
+421 Intellect
+237 Critical Strike
+237 Haste
+237 Mastery
1 red socket + 60 int bonus

Chest http://www.wowhead.com/item=103802
Once again I think raden is BiS but too hard to get. So protectors robe win
+659 Intellect
+336 Hit
+563 Haste
1 blue socket 1 red socket 1 yellow socket +180 int bonus

Wrist http://www.wowhead.com/item=98770
Pvp wrist. Some options are better but very hard to get (random ToT bracers) or just annoying (vizier in HoF) for a very low gain
+501 Intellect
+293 Haste
+358 Mastery

Hands http://www.wowhead.com/item=103854/
Soo zone drop are BiS
+508 Intellect
+242 Hit
+444 Haste
Yellow Socket, Yellow Socket, Socket Bonus: +120 Intellect

Waist http://www.wowhead.com/item=98612
belt of the night sky seems is BiS
+508 Intellect
+372 Hit
+354 Haste
Red Socket, Red Socket, Socket Bonus: +120 Intellect

Legs http://www.wowhead.com/item=103921
Well lei shen legs seem to be bis after all
+659 Intellect
+344 Hit
+555 Critical Strike
Red Socket, Red Socket, Red Socket, Socket Bonus: +180 Intellect

Feet http://www.wowhead.com/item=103805
Even if there are boots with 2slots (crafted), I prefer an item with optimal stats. So Galakras boots win for me
+588 Intellect
+404 Haste
+402 Mastery
Yellow Socket, Socket Bonus: +60 Hit

Ring 1 http://www.wowhead.com/item=103774
Thok's ring is BiS. Raden is AGAIN a fucking BiS also (4th time). But as usual I rule it out.
+421 Intellect
+275 Haste
+310 Mastery
Red Socket, Socket Bonus: +60 Haste

Ring 2 http://www.wowhead.com/item=81189
Taran Zhu's in SP Monastery
+501 Intellect
+262 Haste
+377 Mastery

Weapon http://www.wowhead.com/item=94955
Dark Animus weapon is BiS
+305 Intellect
+217 Haste
+5152 Spell Power
+217 Mastery
Red Socket, Socket Bonus: +60 Intellect

Off hand http://www.wowhead.com/item=103919
Thok off hand is BiS
+421 Intellect
+245 Hit
+323 Haste
Red Socket, Socket Bonus: +60 Intellect

Trinket 1 http://www.wowhead.com/item=79331
Everyone says that the relic is BiS, didnt do maths but I guess its true
+847 Intellect
Equip: When you deal spell damage, you have a chance to gain Blessing of the Celestials, increasing your Intellect by 2682 for 15 sec.

Trinket 2 http://www.wowhead.com/item=93254/
Not gonna put Alchemy cause I can't use it. So I have no idea what would be bis. Gonna put a placeholder
+847 Haste
Use: Increases your Intellect by 2822 for 15 sec. (1 Min Cooldown)



Now as you can see, if you can kill Raden, it should be really important to do so (he got 3 totally BiS items).
Also, my list is TOTALLY screwed up if ilvl is important. I didn't account this at all. Please correct every mistake, or give every suggestion you can
Gemming should be : red haste/exp yellow haste blue haste/hit.
Reforge should be whatever it takes to get hit cap. (presumably mastery to hit should be enough).

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Relic of Yu'Lon and the alchemy trinket are the best. 3rd best is the cosmos trinket.

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Relic of Yu'Lon and the alchemy trinket are the best. 3rd best is the cosmos trinket.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=93254/ looks better than cosmos no ? Higher intel, kinda same frequency (1minute cd, only 5s difference), same haste gained. Ah the intel last only 15s and not 20s thats true..

[Huevos]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=93254/ looks better than cosmos no ? Higher intel, kinda same frequency (1minute cd, only 5s difference), same haste gained. Ah the intel last only 15s and not 20s thats true..

Light of the Cosmos is only BiS if you aren't using Frost Bomb, which is rarely the case in CMs.

[Peukst]

you cant use two of the same cogs

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you cant use two of the same cogs

thanks gonna have to see if engineer helm is still the best without double haste cogs

according to my calculations engi helm is still bis with 600 haste 600 mastery

[Huevos]

You sure about legs? Lei-Shen legs have 3 sockets and they're all red. They're hit/crit but at 463 that crit will never be put to waste.

You're also quite a bit short on hit with that set, and you don't want to gem for hit, so you'll need to swap in some hit pieces to get capped.

[elpadrino293]

Belt of the Night Sky is better. 120 int socket bonus.

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I'm pretty sure Lei shen legs are the best you can get.

Don't undervalue crit. Frost Bomb + Freeze combo will be the majority of your burst damage during CMs.

[sockzz]

Go for items with lots of sockets and good bonuses, don't get too caught up on numbers. Mages are extremely easy to do well on in CM just run frost bomb and do massive aoe. Trinkets should be alch stone/DMF trinket but the alch stone has kind of a high ICD and procs from literally anything. I kind like having an RPPM trinket better. Professions honestly make the biggest difference. Tailoring + engineering are really nice especially if you are going into a huge aoe pack with all your ICD's up. First pull shado-pan you can burst up to 1m if you play it right

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You sure about legs? Lei-Shen legs have 3 sockets and they're all red. They're hit/crit but at 463 that crit will never be put to waste.

right I thought it was raden's. Idk, I think even if we're not crit capped, it's not a stat to go for

added belt of the night sky and lei shen legs as bis tho

[Libretto]

woosh or BBoY are both very good in CMs and both have pretty good uptime. I average one proc per pull and 2 procs per boss generally.

BBoY is preferable unless you need the hit from woosh but it's unlikely you will.

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woosh or BBoY are both very good in CMs and both have pretty good uptime. I average one proc per pull and 2 procs per boss generally.

BBoY is preferable unless you need the hit from woosh but it's unlikely you will.

you mean as a second trinket with dmf ?

[elpadrino293]

woosh or BBoY are both very good in CMs and both have pretty good uptime. I average one proc per pull and 2 procs per boss generally.

BBoY is preferable unless you need the hit from woosh but it's unlikely you will.

i would have thought Wushoolay's Final Choice is the better seeing as the hit rating will not be scaled down whereas the haste rating from BBoY will be.

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i would have thought Wushoolay's Final Choice is the better seeing as the hit rating will not be scaled down whereas the haste rating from BBoY will be.

as I understood, hit is not scaled down, but to counterweight that, other secondary stats will be. So in the end, I think the hit problems are irrelevant (as long as you are capped before entering in the CM dungeon)

Let's say you have an item wil 1000 hit 1000 haste.

It will be scaled to 1000 hit 500 haste instead of 750 hit 750 haste

[Huevos]

as I understood, hit is not scaled down, but to counterweight that, other secondary stats will be. So in the end, I think the hit problems are irrelevant (as long as you are capped before entering in the CM dungeon)

Let's say you have an item wil 1000 hit 1000 haste.

It will be scaled to 1000 hit 500 haste instead of 750 hit 750 haste

If that's true, then it would be beneficial to pick up a hit trinket, like Wush, in order to keep you secondary stat budget as high as possible.

[Arold]

http://i.imgur.com/sj06hlN.jpg

When you have only hit on a piece of gear, the hit gets scaled down. This applies to the pure expertise bracers you can get off maegara as well.
I've been using DMF + BBoY, and BBoY is pretty nice.

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If that's true, then it would be beneficial to pick up a hit trinket, like Wush, in order to keep you secondary stat budget as high as possible.

I'm not sure I understand why ?

[elpadrino293]

http://i.imgur.com/sj06hlN.jpg

When you have only hit on a piece of gear, the hit gets scaled down. This applies to the pure expertise bracers you can get off maegara as well.
I've been using DMF + BBoY, and BBoY is pretty nice.

maybe when you look at the dungeon journal it does. but when i equip the trinket and go into a CM dungeon:



i can't tell you why it scaled up from 1785, but it clearly isn't scaled down to 847. the proc stayed the same as the dungeon journal at 770 int per stack. my hit rating on the character sheet did not change 4920 outside the instance and 4920 inside, although the trinket's tooltip went up.

edit: took off everything but the trinket

[Huevos]

I'm not sure I understand why ?

Well if hit scales down on gear when it's the only stat then it's a moot point, you won't be able to cheese the stat budget. But if hit didn't ever scale down you could achieve higher total haste/crit/mastery levels by using pieces with only hit/exp on them because it would mean you didn't need hit on other pieces (which would scale down).