Take a look at this ban

[SLOWLLY]

Hey there.
Was watching a stream and less than an hour ago, the streamer was banned. Also important to mention that he has a lot of viewers and he's constantly spammed ingame through the chat or any kind of invite (party, wargame, etc).

So, player A (the one who reported) spammed the streamer. Apparentely he also typed on /s that he'd give 1000g for a duel. The streamer obviously never read that, there's way too much spam.
By now player A was already in ignore list because of the spam.
However, player A trades the streamer 1000g and presses accept. The streamer just accepts. There was absolutely no agreement on "duel for gold", ever.

Conclusion: player A reports the streamer because he took the gold and never dueled him/put him on ignore. Streamer gets banned.

Did the streamer just go against the TOS? Let's also say that player A's nickname was against the TOS and the GM that handled the case never noticed (much competence).
The streamer appealed against the ban and the next GM said the ban was correctly applied.


I wanna see what you guys think of this. I've had bad experiences with the TOS before and with some braindead rules there regarding pugs + masterloot/ninja leaders.

Who's wrong in this situation?

[Darthvador]

He did not even respond to him , so he couldnt agree nor disagree , so the ban is not justified i dont watch stream really often but its a common thing that people randomly give them gold from what i saw but out of curiosity who was the streamer ?

[Zantos]

Blizzard doesn't usually step in when it comes to player vs player money disputes. I find it odd they would step in for a random trade.

[Rabian]

So they ban him, but not the several scammers in trade chat selling those holiday boxes that have a "guaranteed mount inside, only 1000g!"? Or the guys who ask for arena carries offering 200g/win and then don't pay? Interesting :P

[Angarin]

The thing is, I can see why the GM banned him.

But that doesn't mean I agree with the GM

The GM banned him because he thought the player who agreed to accept the gold was going to accept the duel.

But as Zantos mentioned, normally blizzard does not step in these kinds of matters. So this should be no different. If this guy appeals the ban he honestly should have no problem getting unbanned.

[Deleted]

Let's also say that player A's nickname was against the TOS and the GM that handled the case never noticed (much competence).

On a tangent, name violations are acted upon only if reported, not through random GM interaction over unrelated topics. Much competence indeed.

[Yuni]

There really shouldn't be any problem getting unbanned. That's super goofy, considering all times back in the day I would see kids spamming trade about someone stealing their mats but no one was ever getting banned for it. Maybe some 24 hours for the really bad apples.

[Deleted]

Why care for a single individual in a game with millions? If you were the victim I would understand, but since you aren't I'm confused.

[beanman12345]

So they ban him, but not the several scammers in trade chat selling those holiday boxes that have a "guaranteed mount inside, only 1000g!"? Or the guys who ask for arena carries offering 200g/win and then don't pay? Interesting :P

This a million times this! What the guy did might have been bannable, I do not know every single rule in the ToS, but they do nothing with guys who are most certainly bannable? Righto.

[rhorle]

So, player A (the one who reported) spammed the streamer. Apparentely he also typed on /s that he'd give 1000g for a duel. The streamer obviously never read that, there's way too much spam.
By now player A was already in ignore list because of the spam.

If Player A was on the ignore list of the stream, then he couldn't have opened a trade with the streamer. Ignore will block that from ignored people, your story isn't the complete story of events.

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But as Zantos mentioned, normally blizzard does not step in these kinds of matters. So this should be no different. If this guy appeals the ban he honestly should have no problem getting unbanned.

Or the streamer got banned for a different reason and is playing the old routine of changing why they got banned.

[Deleted]

So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.

[Rucati]

It was completely unwarranted. Not sure who it was, hoping it was Sodapoppin because really he shouldn't exist. But regardless, people trade streamers gold all the time as a way to support them without donating real money. I'm pretty surprised Blizzard would take action against it.

[SLOWLLY]

He did not even respond to him , so he couldnt agree nor disagree , so the ban is not justified i dont watch stream really often but its a common thing that people randomly give them gold from what i saw but out of curiosity who was the streamer ?

If they like the streamer, why not?
It was Sodapoppin.

On a tangent, name violations are acted upon only if reported, not through random GM interaction over unrelated topics. Much competence indeed.

So my name can be really offensive towards a religion but if nobody reports it I'm allowed to keep it? Rules are rules and GMs should know them better than anyone. It's their job to make sure that everyone follows the rules.

[Last Starfighter]

Why care for a single individual in a game with millions? If you were the victim I would understand, but since you aren't I'm confused.

The world has billions of people in it. What's your point? He's not caring about the individual. He's caring about the injustice of the situation.

[Torgent]

Hey there.
Was watching a stream and less than an hour ago, the streamer was banned. Also important to mention that he has a lot of viewers and he's constantly spammed ingame through the chat or any kind of invite (party, wargame, etc).

So, player A (the one who reported) spammed the streamer. Apparentely he also typed on /s that he'd give 1000g for a duel. The streamer obviously never read that, there's way too much spam.
By now player A was already in ignore list because of the spam.
However, player A trades the streamer 1000g and presses accept. The streamer just accepts. There was absolutely no agreement on "duel for gold", ever.

Conclusion: player A reports the streamer because he took the gold and never dueled him/put him on ignore. Streamer gets banned.

Did the streamer just go against the TOS? Let's also say that player A's nickname was against the TOS and the GM that handled the case never noticed (much competence).
The streamer appealed against the ban and the next GM said the ban was correctly applied.


I wanna see what you guys think of this. I've had bad experiences with the TOS before and with some braindead rules there regarding pugs + masterloot/ninja leaders.

Who's wrong in this situation?

This is not what happened. Blizzard has said many times that any trade where you give money to another player is out of their hands. Unless the player at the last moment tries to remove an item or change the money when the other player hits accept, Blizzard will not intervene.

[Canderous1]

So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.

alot of streamer fans give popular streamers stuff all the time. its not uncommon to see them given thousands of gold, mounts, lots of things.

people just open trades and give them stuff.

[Deleted]

So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.

hows that being an asshole?

his chat is spammed like crazy, people constantly trading him gold for no reason, i think he nailed it when he said the person offering 1k gold shouldn't accept the trade until the other person accepted the deal. it was a ridiculous ban imo.


its stupid that i would be able to trade someone 100k gold, and tell them do something, they don't agree to do it but accept the trade after i click accept first, when they still havn't agreed to it, then get them banned when they don't give my gold back.

a ban like this should only occour when they actually agree to what the offer is.

[Yuni]

So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.

You don't watch streams much, do you?

Popular streamers get flooded with gold and items from players that just want their 15 minutes of fame on the screen. After you've been doing it for awhile, it becomes second nature to just accept it and move on.

[Deleted]

Or the streamer got banned for a different reason and is playing the old routine of changing why they got banned.

no, he actually got banned on livestream, chat with gm was visible on stream at all times.

[SLOWLLY]

This is not what happened. Blizzard has said many times that any trade where you give money to another player is out of their hands. Unless the player at the last moment tries to remove an item or change the money when the other player hits accept, Blizzard will not intervene.

Well, the GM said that he had to give the gold back, even though there was no evidence of any agreement, not exactly these words but I can easily check the vod.

So the streamer just accepted that gold for nothing and didn't even bothered to ask the person why he would give him the gold?

I'd ban that asshole as well, for just being an asshole.

You don't really watch streams do you? People trade them gold/etc all the time.