ks?

[Duano]

Why do people accuse me of ks? I come to help, kill target and people are like "you ks".

Im only level 14 atm so not sure if Im doing something wrong. Can somebody explain?

[Mamut]

Its because some people care more about their score instead about the whole team. I always ignore chat if someone scream "fkning noob mother#$%#% you ks!!!!". No point argue with toxic kid.

The only reasonable situation when someone is angry because of "ks" for me is when player wait with all his skills to just "steal" the guaranted anyway kill.

[Unproven]

Its because some people care more about their score instead about the whole team. I always ignore chat if someone scream "fkning noob mother#$%#% you ks!!!!". No point argue with toxic kid.

The only reasonable situation when someone is angry because of "ks" for me is when player wait with all his skills to just "steal" the guaranted anyway kill.

well, and if the support hogs kills from ADC

[Duilliath]

I just interpret it as 'Kill Secured' and then agree with them.

[Drikkink]

I loathe when ADCs whine that I "KS" them as support. First off, fed support is as scary as fed ADC. Tank supports get so tanky (Leona, Thresh) while damage supports get SUPER STRONG.

Now, I get a little annoyed as ADC when I'm like 1/1/9 and my support is 9/0/1 or some shit like that, but in the end, it doesn't matter.

[Duano]

Thanks. I thought I was doing something wrong.

[volteh]

There is no kill stealing, just people that whine too much.

[Deleted]

I loathe when ADCs whine that I "KS" them as support. First off, fed support is as scary as fed ADC.

Meanwhile, in wood V

[Malkazam]

Well since its a team vs team game.. They should be happy that someone made a kill.

[amalager]

Well since its a team vs team game.. They should be happy that someone made a kill.

I agree. But most of them care about the stats. I really hate players like that. Both of you earned gold for the kill so if my support got my kill, that's fine with me. I could care less with my kill/death/assist stats. I couldn't have made the kill if it weren't for my support anyway.

[Jibjabb]

Its only really a problem for me personally if its blatant they are only trying to kill steal. By this I mean they literally stand there while the champion is being killed then once low they unload everything. I never see this in ranked so I never catch myself getting upset at someone kill stealing. Even supports getting a kill is whatever. AFAIK getting a kill by yourself without help is actually giving the team less gold than someone coming in and taking the kill from you. Too often I stopped attacking early as jungle/support only to have the person I was trying to feed lets them get away. So no more, goin all out regardless and if I get the kill as Rammus over our Gragas, oh well.

[sam86]

KS : kill secured
Yeah best one to get kill is ur adc, but better get a support get kill than no one

[crakerjack]

If you're ganking bottom and the ADC is able to get the kill but you go ahead and steal it when he's capable of getting it, that's a KS. You're in the jungle, you get plenty of money... You need your ADC to get as much gold as possible and taking away the 300g for a kill is a lot. It's no big deal at lvl 14, but at 30, it's wise to allow your ADC to get the kill unless you know for a fact he can't get it. If you're support and you take the kill and he was able to get it, then you really are a noob. Support doesn't need much gold, whereas an ADC needs to get his build finished asap to dominate. If you continue to take kills away from your ADC, then you're suppressing his progression.

[Kelato]

If you're ganking bottom and the ADC is able to get the kill but you go ahead and steal it when he's capable of getting it, that's a KS. You're in the jungle, you get plenty of money... You need your ADC to get as much gold as possible and taking away the 300g for a kill is a lot. It's no big deal at lvl 14, but at 30, it's wise to allow your ADC to get the kill unless you know for a fact he can't get it. If you're support and you take the kill and he was able to get it, then you really are a noob. Support doesn't need much gold, whereas an ADC needs to get his build finished asap to dominate. If you continue to take kills away from your ADC, then you're suppressing his progression.

If you gank bottom as a jungler you are enabling a kill for your team so it isn't stealing if the kill wouldn't have been possible with the help of the jungler. Furthermore you don't take away 300g as the ADC would get the assist money. Also an ADC can make more money in lane than jungler in jungler and a team also profits a lot from a jungler who can snowball early and control the map and the game. An ADC is a part of the team and not the center of the world and entitled to everything.

Kills and gold help everyone on the team and contribute to success as a whole.

[amalager]

Its only really a problem for me personally if its blatant they are only trying to kill steal. By this I mean they literally stand there while the champion is being killed then once low they unload everything. I never see this in ranked so I never catch myself getting upset at someone kill stealing. Even supports getting a kill is whatever. AFAIK getting a kill by yourself without help is actually giving the team less gold than someone coming in and taking the kill from you. Too often I stopped attacking early as jungle/support only to have the person I was trying to feed lets them get away. So no more, goin all out regardless and if I get the kill as Rammus over our Gragas, oh well.

That kind of behavior irks me the most.

[sam86]

What is more danger in team fight, a Jinx with 7 kills or a Volibear with 7 Kills ?

[FluFF]

Volibear has shit ratio's on his spells so all you can do is build him tank , but still too many different scenario's to that question.

Fed ADC is always way more dangerous than a tank with no ability ratio's, Renekton is a tank aswell but he has good base ratio's so unlike volibear he still does dmg.
If the Jinx has bad positioning in teamfights though then it's irrelevant if she is 7/1 or 1/6 cause she's dead in 2 seconds.

[Muzjhath]

Then we can always go deeper and in on how the two have done on the minion/monster farming. Or if the Voli is jungle or not.
If the Jinx is sitting on 250-300 creeps compared to a voli sitting on say 78 (and it's in the jungle) getting more gold on the Voli would likely be worth quite a bit.

[Angarin]

So heres my point of view on kill stealing.

Lets paint a scenario. I'm mid vs a veigar. I'm playing annie. I'm 6. My jungler wants to come gank. My jungler is udyr. We're on blue side. Udyr comes from the left side jungle , not through mid lane brush, behind veigar, veigar cages him, I flash into the middle of his cage, do annies lololol combo with tibbers/q/w and udyr follows up with a stun & phoenix stance. Udyr got the kill.

Am I upset? No, I wasn't going to risk dying to the enemy jungler by taking free tower damage and udyr can take a tower hit for free basically with turtle stance and can escape easier.



Lets paint another scenario.

Same deal, I'm annie, vs veigar mid. I'm blue side. I have an udyr jungle. My flash is up as well as my whole combo. Udyr does not signal he wants to gank, in fact he's stealing enemy wraith. I go in for veigar, combo him to death, he's almost dead, I flash in for auto attack, q comes up in 1 second, here comes friendly udyr bear stance and then pheonix stance. I just popped flash and took 2 tower hits and I was in range of my q.

That is kill stealing. I don't care if you want an assist, if I just popped my flash and took 2 free tower hits for veigar and I didn't get the kill even though 99% of the damage was me, I'm gonna be pissed.

Now if support also steals a kill that knows no one else will get it somehow with like a thresh hook or a leona e+q then thats fine. But I hate supports who steal kills who don't think at all. For example, a thresh hooks ezreal even though the allied cait has ult and vision on him and thresh steals it anyways with a hook.

Idk maybe other people have different points of view. I've always come from a place where unless someone else can benefit from the kill I'm going to take it if I earned it.

For example if I'm full build as an apc but the adc isn't yet, I'll let them have it if I know they can get it.

[Noxina]

Meanwhile, in wood V

I play in Silver 2 (Yeah not the highest), and I main supp and top. But when I do play supp I usualy go Thresh, Leona or Karma. If I get a early kill I can carry that bot so hard with that extra item. Usualy I do get an early kill (Like lvl 2-3) because I go ignite, and as long as I dont 'steal' too many kills, the ADCs I play with are usualy fine with a good tanky/poky support on their side. However, mids.. They ALWAYS complain if they come bot to get a kill or two, and I get one of them - 100% whine ratio there.