Ugh...now i am scared to even take one medicine

[Yunru]

..after watching this (i suggest listening and not watching a video due to a low quality).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H...sychiatrist%29

One example: They test a drug on 100 people, if one is showing one weird side effect, they just ignore it and put a drug on a market.

[Deleted]

Then don't take any

[Deleted]

One example: They test a drug on 100 people, if one is showing one weird side effect, they just ignore it and put a drug on a market.

If one out of a hundred shows symptoms, that's well within acceptable range IF the medicine works for the other people.

[Yunru]

Yes, these are called side effects.

The information in the video should already pretty much be common knowledge, "Side effects include", "In some cases may lead to"

If they were to edit the formula because of 1 person getting ill, the new drug might make 5-10 people who were ill that wern't initially.

They ignore it because of this.

Well my grandmother was taking one of those *safe* pills and it had side effects that didnt even exist on paper. Heck we had to talk to a doctor many times so he changed them to a more safer ones. (she couldnt talk normal due to a drug and she made no sense, once she switched to a normal one she could talk normaly---side effect should only be a upset stomach and other stuff that is not dangerous)

The weird thing was that those *dangerous* pills costed 4 times more than the other ones. 40 euros vs 10.

[belfpala]

Well my grandmother was taking one of those *safe* pills and it had side effects that didnt even exist on paper.

You have to defend others in situations where they can't on their own.

One example, my father was exhibiting strange OCD behavior. I reviewed his medications, looked up a lot of things. I decided that one of the drugs (Ritalin in this case) was causing the behavior. I went to his next appointment with his neurologist and explained what was going on, my idea on why it was going on, and my suggestion to fix it. She resisted a bit, but eventually decided to drop Ritalin from his drug regimen. Guess what, all that weird OCD behavior vanished.

Not saying this is the correct approach for every situation, but for relatives and loved ones who can't fully make decisions on their own it is.

[Notchris]

Well my grandmother was taking one of those *safe* pills and it had side effects that didnt even exist on paper. Heck we had to talk to a doctor many times so he changed them to a more safer ones. (she couldnt talk normal due to a drug and she made no sense, once she switched to a normal one she could talk normaly---side effect should only be a upset stomach and other stuff that is not dangerous)

The weird thing was that those *dangerous* pills costed 4 times more than the other ones. 40 euros vs 10.

Of course the pill that was OK for your grandmother very likely was not OK for another person. Said person may have been fine on the pill that was no good for your grandmother however.

You'd have no medicine on the market if you pulled them everytime a person had an adverse reaction to one.

[Deleted]

If you want pills that have no side effects on ANYONE, well then I guess you better stop taking pills all together.

[Deleted]

1) A video on youtube does not prove anything. Pharmaceutical companies decide if put the medicine on the market? False, FDA decides that (if you are in the US) which is an administration paid by your taxes (or your parents').
2) Everything in this world has side effects, there is nothing that does only good. But if your doctor is giving it to you it is because the good largely outweights the bad.
3) Anytime you do anything you need to weight the good and bad of your actions. Usually when you take a medicine you do it because you are feeling bad and you want to feel better. If you can do without, kudos.
4) If you compare the risk of an adverse effect of a medicine to the risk you take every single time you ride a car, well, let's say it's better if you take your medicine and walk.
5) These videos are largely biased, the reason is that exists a large market of "alternative" medicine that makes a lot of money with selling bullshit, just look how many books about the argument are printed every day. Or homeopathy, which sells you sugar pills at an enormous price.

[Yunru]

If you want pills that have no side effects on ANYONE, well then I guess you better stop taking pills all together.

Eh i am woried abauth those *cheap* ones that are lying abauth side effects. I trust medicine like aspirin for example (too much can cause nosebleed).
Its the fact that a industry hides those and tells doctors that those medicine has no effects like that, even if you stand there and your arms fall off.
They will deny it.

If you watch the video the guy even says that we usualy took one *poison* for a mounth max. However now you are *forced* to take it for life. And not just one drug...but 8 a day.

[Noomz]

..after watching this (i suggest listening and not watching a video due to a low quality).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H...sychiatrist%29

One example: They test a drug on 100 people, if one is showing one weird side effect, they just ignore it and put a drug on a market.

Well, yeah? You will always, always have side-effects to stronger medicine. There's absolutely no way to avoid it.
Would you rather those 99 people get better thanks to the medicine or that we keep the medicine of the market because 1 person had a side-effect?
I absolutely hate this kind of conspiracy bullshit because it's based in complete and utter ignorance. You cannot, CANNOT make medicine without side-effects. Everyone reacts differently to medicine and it's completely impossible to adjust a medicine to work perfectly for every single individual.

[Yunru]

Well, yeah? You will always, always have side-effects to stronger medicine. There's absolutely no way to avoid it.
Would you rather those 99 people get better thanks to the medicine or that we keep the medicine of the market because 1 person had a side-effect?
I absolutely hate this kind of conspiracy bullshit because it's based in complete and utter ignorance. You cannot, CANNOT make medicine without side-effects. Everyone reacts differently to medicine and it's completely impossible to adjust a medicine to work perfectly for every single individual.

Thats true....but the problem is that one person problem is not in description on a paper. They hide it and just make more problems for doctors and us who are trying to find out wich medicine is causing problem.
If they type like this on paper:
It can cause X and X and X and in rare cases X.
And not like this.
It can cause X and X.

[Noomz]

Eh i am woried abauth those *cheap* ones that are lying abauth side effects. I trust medicine like aspirin for example (too much can cause nosebleed).
Its the fact that a industry hides those and tells doctors that those medicine has no effects like that, even if you stand there and your arms fall off.
They will deny it.

If you watch the video the guy even says that we usualy took one *poison* for a mounth max. However now you are *forced* to take it for life. And not just one drug...but 8 a day.

How can they deny what's written on the bloody package? You are being so mindblowingly absurd. Can you see any, ANY medicine that doesn't have side-effects listed on them? I sure as hell can't.
Excessive use of anything will always be bad, even Aspirin. It's up to you, the consumer, to be realistic about your use of medicine.

You are so mindblowngly ignorant of how any of this works that you're prepared to swallow anything anyone says that scares you. I'm sorry if that offends you, but I really can't put it any other way.

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Thats true....but the problem is that one person problem is not in description on a paper. They hide it and just make more problems for doctors and us who are trying to find out wich medicine is causing problem.
If they type like this on paper:
It can cause X and X and X and in rare cases X.
And not like this.
It can cause X and X.

The problems people experience with a drug is what's written in the side-effects for crying out loud. No-one is hiding anything.
Every doctor I've had and every medicine I've taken have both been very clear with what does what, what causes what and why.

But they DO write it like that!
There is a page for every single medicine sold in my country (Sweden) call FASS.se where there's everything written down and sorted according to "Common", "Less common", "Rare" and "Unknown Frequency".
It also lists interactions, how to take the medicine, when to take it, when not to take it, EVERYTHING.

What you're writing is an outright lie. There is nothing being hidden. Give me an example of what you're talking about. A clear, real life example. Because I've never, EVER seen or heard of what you're talking about, and I've been a LOT to the hospital.

[Candiman]

The reaction your grandmother had to that drug may have been a 1 in a million or more reaction. Drug companies cannot test every drug on every person in the world to find out if their a few that will have a strange side effect. Pharmaceutical companies do not lie to doctors and don't intentionally hide side effects because if they did they would be out of business rather quickly.

[Nekreab]

1) A video on youtube does not prove anything. Pharmaceutical companies decide if put the medicine on the market? False, FDA decides that (if you are in the US) which is an administration paid by your taxes (or your parents').

The FDA decides after checking the trial data supplied by the pharmaceutical Company.

2) Everything in this world has side effects, there is nothing that does only good. But if your doctor is giving it to you it is because the good largely outweights the bad.

Good foods taken in correct portions have no side effects.

3) Anytime you do anything you need to weight the good and bad of your actions. Usually when you take a medicine you do it because you are feeling bad and you want to feel better. If you can do without, kudos.

Never take the good road if it is a chemical that may affect your body, hell I have even seen medicine side effect say "May cause Death" would you take it. And this was prescribed by an MD????

4) If you compare the risk of an adverse effect of a medicine to the risk you take every single time you ride a car, well, let's say it's better if you take your medicine and walk.

What a dumb analogy, when taking a car ride it's a conscious decision made by the person and all possible effects and outcome are know before taking such a ride.


5) These videos are largely biased, the reason is that exists a large market of "alternative" medicine that makes a lot of money with selling bullshit, just look how many books about the argument are printed every day. Or homeopathy, which sells you sugar pills at an enormous price.

There are many videos warning of the adverse effects of these chemicals and they are not all by the alternative medicine people they are from people who have had first hand knowledge of the outcomes of taking some of these prescription drugs. The next poster even states he trusts aspirin, ask the people who have had perforated ulcers as they were prescribed aspirin to thin the blood as they had a blood pressure problem (my brother was one), which BTW can be overcome by eating certain foods.

I am 64 years old and do not take any prescription medicines at I thank my wife for this as she has always fed us wholesome healthy food and another reason is that I don't trust the medical profession at all and I can tell you some stories that will curl your hair and they are not what I have heard but experienced.

[Yunru]

There are many videos warning of the adverse effects of these chemicals and they are not all by the alternative medicine people they are from people who have had first hand knowledge of the outcomes of taking some of these prescription drugs. The next poster even states he trusts aspirin, ask the people who have had perforated ulcers as they were prescribed aspirin to thin the blood as they had a blood pressure problem (my brother was one), which BTW can be overcome by eating certain foods.

I am 64 years old and do not take any prescription medicines at I thank my wife for this as she has always fed us wholesome healthy food and another reason is that I don't trust the medical profession at all and I can tell you some stories that will curl your hair and they are not what I have heard but experienced.

Am i right? (it works slower tho)

[Applenazi]

I trust medicine like aspirin for example (too much can cause nosebleed).

Aspirin actually has a fatal side effect known as Reyes Syndrome, as it warns of right on the bottle; which you clearly never read. Instead you made the assumption that Aspirins only side effect was nose bleeds (Which is not a side effect of Aspirin by the way, so instead of knowing the actual side effects you just randomly make them up). This is why drugs are approved by the FDA, versus you, who has no fucking idea what he/she is talking about; that's called the system working.

[lawow74]

News Flash: Doctors are not perfect fonts of medical knowledge. Drugs are not magical cure-alls. Sometimes things happen that shouldn't. Oh, and you're going to die one day. Just thought you should know that too. Do please continue tinfoil-hatting the evil Big Pharma out to kill you and steal all your money.

[Dezerte]

One example: They test a drug on 100 people, if one is showing one weird side effect, they just ignore it and put a drug on a market.

All medicine can have side-effects, side-effects that have a 1:100 chance of happening are acceptable and should always be listed under the side-effects info in the labeling.

[Deleted]

Eh i am woried abauth those *cheap* ones that are lying abauth side effects. I trust medicine like aspirin for example (too much can cause nosebleed).
Its the fact that a industry hides those and tells doctors that those medicine has no effects like that, even if you stand there and your arms fall off.
They will deny it.

If you watch the video the guy even says that we usualy took one *poison* for a mounth max. However now you are *forced* to take it for life. And not just one drug...but 8 a day.

You're aware you're basing this of a guy who made a Youtube video about it right? Not saying the whole big pharma and everything around it is 100% about helping people. Where I live though, every medicine has these little papers telling you possible side-effects, which combinations you can't take etc. Read em perhaps.

My grandmother takes more then 8 pills a day since she had major heart failure (which caused massive lung failure, kidney failure etc.), and I'm pretty sure that without these pills she'd be dead years ago. If you're worried pills are all a conspiracy etc. by all means stop taking them. Just don't come complaining when you're about to die.

[ComputerNerd]

Try reading the piece of paper included with any medication, and you will see side-effects listed.
I expect in most cases those with minor side effects affect greater than 1 in 100 already.
Any medication is screwing around with what is an extraordinarily complicated machine, the human body.
It is simply naive bordering on stupid to not expect any side-effects.