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    Help my WW

    So I've decided to apply to a new guild with my monk that I've been playing casually with my off spec WindWalker but now when I'm playing it as MS I realize I have to do some research. Anyway I've been looking through most websites including the guide here on mmoc and what I seem to conclude is hit and exp cap then haste to 12-13k if I'm using chi brew and 9k if I use ascension. After that just max crit and stack agility gems. I'm currently migrating my monk so his armory is non existent but askmrrobot still has the cached profile so take a look and see if you can catch any major flaws(except for the fact that I cant do very much about my exp/hit over cap). So feel free to comment on anything as I'm very open to advice.

    askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/steamwheedle_cartel/dexin

    Thanks in advance.

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    Swap to Agi gem in Weapon
    Missing prismatic socket on Belt
    Swap to Deadly gem in second Ring
    Do you seriously not have another trinket to replace Rentakis?

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    About the ring, didnt think set bonuses except agility was worth it?
    And no I only have renataki.I had AoC lfr before but everyone kept telling me Renataki was beast so I kept it.
    And yes regemming in a few places is definitely a good idea, just been bad on the economic part.

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    Go into stat weights. Change Agi to 5.3, Haste soft-cap to 12k or 13k, Haste (13000+) to 1.5, and Str and AP to 0. that will give you pretty close to appropriate stat weights to set your toon up.
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    About the haste, I did a pug for SoO normal today and noticed I was energy capping very often during combo breaker procs and I didnt have much usage of either energizing brew or fists of fury, is this okay or have I been playing completely shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu View Post
    About the haste, I did a pug for SoO normal today and noticed I was energy capping very often during combo breaker procs and I didnt have much usage of either energizing brew or fists of fury, is this okay or have I been playing completely shit?
    If you're capping you're doing something very wrong, anytime you should see yourself going to cap you should hit jab again. I frequently go up to 4 chi just to pool 2 for a time when I need it. If you're capping then you need to Jab > BoK more.
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    Something that was told to me early while I was learning is that you're wasting DPS not doing something every GCD. I saw a sharp increase in my output just by following that.

    You should always know what your next 15 or so GCD's are going to consist of. If you don't, Babylonius's Jab > BoK is a good start.

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    So I transferred to kazzak and raided with the new guild a couple of days ago and while my dps wasnt that awesome(around 260k on single target) I got the hang of the rotation pretty good but I still have to practice maximizing my GCD's as I was capping energy due to "chi overflow" when my combo breaker procced. However I got a few new pieces, one of them was haromm trinket so I'm just wondering if you guys could take a look at my character and look for any flaws as I'm no rocket scientist about monks(yet!)

    eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/kazzak/Dexyn/advanced

    EDIT: Looks like we also scored some logs for you guys to stare on.

    worldoflogs.com/reports/c0v7yub8tphzg9v2/

    My monk is Dexyn.

    Found something quite remarkable though that I only did 25k less dps than Kitsune on Norushen, he had 15 ilvls higher and advantage of both legendary meta and cloak.
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    Norushen is a very poor fight to compare damage. You don't see anyone's damage but your own while you're in the shadow realm, and you don't see the damage of the other raiders while they're in the shadow realm, and you're beating on the boss. If you want to compare single target damage, Iron Juggernaut is your best bet.

    If you're going to ask for people to audit your character, please, please, please, at least be sure to have everything gemmed and enchanted. You're missing your belt buckle. Fix that, and I'll take a look again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jocias View Post
    If you're going to ask for people to audit your character, please, please, please, at least be sure to have everything gemmed and enchanted. You're missing your belt buckle. Fix that, and I'll take a look again.
    Belt buckle would only mean 1 extra 160 agi gem so the results will be rather irrelevant when it comes to scanning for flaws, it will yield less damage yes but I'm more looking for answers regarding where I can reforge differently to get higher haste or maybe push my exp down a bit, but my major question would be for the logs if you can see any big mistakes I'm making. I know that my fist of fury usage is very low but this is because I'm not extremely comfortable with my rotation yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu View Post
    Belt buckle would only mean 1 extra 160 agi gem so the results will be rather irrelevant when it comes to scanning for flaws, it will yield less damage yes but I'm more looking for answers regarding where I can reforge differently to get higher haste or maybe push my exp down a bit, but my major question would be for the logs if you can see any big mistakes I'm making. I know that my fist of fury usage is very low but this is because I'm not extremely comfortable with my rotation yet.
    No one else should help you until you put that damn belt buckle on.

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    Here's what I see:

    RSK(Actual) to RSK(Optimal)

    You had 37:51 (73%) on Fallen Protectors, 32:41 on Nuroshen (78%), 35:38 on Sha of Pride (95%). You should be aiming for at least 85% effectiveness there.

    Tiger Power

    You're doing both problems, applying it too early: (You're reapplying with about 5 seconds left per TP, reapplication should be when the buff is close (@ the 1 second mark) to falling off, On top of it, you're letting it drop off and not reapplying it fast enough.

    Misc
    If there's ever a time where you will be dealing damage to more than one target and they're positioned fairly close, you should be using RJW over Spinning Crane Kick.
    To little haste & crit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khorm View Post
    No one else should help you until you put that damn belt buckle on.
    In that case you wont have to post here. Belt buckle makes up for so little dps that moaning about it is just silly. Main reason I'm not using one atm is that I dont need to push dps so putting it on a flex belt is rather excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darklani View Post
    Here's what I see:

    RSK(Actual) to RSK(Optimal)

    You had 37:51 (73%) on Fallen Protectors, 32:41 on Nuroshen (78%), 35:38 on Sha of Pride (95%). You should be aiming for at least 85% effectiveness there.

    Tiger Power

    You're doing both problems, applying it too early: (You're reapplying with about 5 seconds left per TP, reapplication should be when the buff is close (@ the 1 second mark) to falling off, On top of it, you're letting it drop off and not reapplying it fast enough.

    Misc
    If there's ever a time where you will be dealing damage to more than one target and they're positioned fairly close, you should be using RJW over Spinning Crane Kick.
    To little haste & crit
    Thank you! This is the kind of answers I'm looking for and while the low RSK usage might have to do with my instability in the rotation atm I agree that I could work on keeping it on CD. How about fist of fury? I rarely ever found a case where I could use it without capping energy. Hopefully I'll get more comfortable with that also as time goes. Today we're going in for Nazgrim and up, hopefully we'll reach blackfuse so anyone got some good tips on a specific fight? Would be very grateful as all help is appreciated.

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    So I just did a stat simulation of my character and the weights goes: 5.68 agi 8.45 hit 3.43 crit 4.12 haste 1.86 mastery 17.08 weapon dps. Expertise isnt shown for some reason.

    See, I'm not a genius when it comes to using simcraft and I dont know how much I should blindly look at the weights but this tells me that 2 points of haste is way superior to 1 point agility. Would this mean that gemming pure haste to lower the value would be a good idea? Or should I just keep shoving dem agi gems on my gear? Also how is agility calculated? Does it include the small amount of crit you get from it or just the raw AP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu;26439668n
    See, I'm not a genius when it comes to using simcraft and I dont know how much I should blindly look at the weights but this tells me that 2 points of haste is way superior to 1 point agility. Would this mean that gemming pure haste to lower the value would be a good idea? Or should I just keep shoving dem agi gems on my gear? Also how is agility calculated? Does it include the small amount of crit you get from it or just the raw AP?
    If you're already having problems with energy capping, gemming for more haste is probably going to be very counterproductive. And I'm very certain that simcraft keeps the crit in mind when factoring weights for agility. It's part of the value of the stat after all.

    When you are running with that much haste, you will rarely find a good opportunity to fit Fists of Fury in. It's a net damage loss if your energy caps or if RSK comes off cooldown during the channel. It's one of the things you will need to do to completely optimize your damage, but you should only use it if you're absolutely sure you won't run into the energy or RSK rules.

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    So what would yield better dps, high haste and low FoF usage or lower haste with FoF on cooldown? I understand it's hard to answer it's just that I'm really eager to improve as I'm trialing atm and want to perform as good as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu View Post
    So what would yield better dps, high haste and low FoF usage or lower haste with FoF on cooldown? I understand it's hard to answer it's just that I'm really eager to improve as I'm trialing atm and want to perform as good as possible.
    Lower Haste with FoF on CD provides the most DPS possible, it is however very difficult to impossible to accomplish regularly so 99.9% of the time trying for this will result in a DPS loss. High Haste and FoF as needed is the rotation that nearly everyone goes with because, although it is slightly less optimal than the former, it is much easier to accomplish.
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    So I should get to 12k haste regardless of what my crit currently is and try to fit in FoF when possible? Or am I just stupid and missing something very important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu View Post
    So I should get to 12k haste regardless of what my crit currently is and try to fit in FoF when possible? Or am I just stupid and missing something very important?
    Nope, that's the commonly correct way to do it currently.
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    I just did a 100mil dmg test on dummy and scored 260k dps with 11,640 haste. Is this acceptable?

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    Oh and I completely forgot to ask about Xuen, do you bait for trinket procs or should I just use it on cooldown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexyn-eu View Post
    I just did a 100mil dmg test on dummy and scored 260k dps with 11,640 haste. Is this acceptable?

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    Oh and I completely forgot to ask about Xuen, do you bait for trinket procs or should I just use it on cooldown?
    Its hard to tell if that's acceptable w/o a log of it to check uptimes and skill usage, but it looks fine to me.

    Use Xuen at any point where he can be on the target as close to 100% of the time. His stats update with yours, so trinket procs dont' snapshot which means you don't have to wait for them to proc to hit him. Obviously if you do wait then you can guarantee there is at least one proc up during Xuen's uptime, but over the course of 45s it shouldn't make a huge difference. You do want to hit him right away into a fight when all your trinkets are up, but after that you can use him whenever. Provided the you get the full use of his 45s and you use him as often as you can during the fight.
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