Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill 1.1

[TooMuch]

What do you mean? They are in the same military alliance. Where is YOUR source proving otherwise? Or because its cause you said so, or your gut feeling, or something like that?

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Ruskies? The vast majority of people defending Russia in here, are not Russian lol

Misconception Ultima, most of the people are NOT defending Russia, they are attacking the stupids that make baseless posts about Russia/Ukraine, or even their beloved US. Sometimes you have people even posting falsehoods about a country they don't live in, and keep claiming they are right after proven wrong.

And for most of the US posters I can't repeat this enough: Matthew 7:3-5

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What do you mean? They are in the same military alliance. Where is YOUR source proving otherwise? Or because its cause you said so, or your gut feeling, or something like that?

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Ruskies? The vast majority of people defending Russia in here, are not Russian lol

However; the Russians who are in this thread defend Russia. I'm yet to see a pro-Western Russian (who hasn't already fled the country).

[Ulmita]

Misconception Ultima, most of the people are NOT defending Russia, they are attacking the stupids that make baseless posts about Russia/Ukraine, or even their beloved US. Sometimes you have people even posting falsehoods about a country they don't live in, and keep claiming they are right after proven wrong.

And for most of the US posters I can't repeat this enough: Matthew 7:3-5

I guess that too. I for one am defending Russia because i find what is happening atm some kind of western aggression to escalate things so they can sell guns. What bothers me is that things can get out of control easy and then be in deep shit. I am a peace loving guy, never wished the harm of anyone, it just this situation pisses me off because people are getting hurt.

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However; the Russians who are in this thread defend Russia. I'm yet to see a pro-Western Russian (who hasn't already fled the country).

Hard to find those broski, Putin has some 85% popularity (win) ratio (in arenas ). It's GG. Putin is also very popular outside his country.
In my country you hear people wishing we had a PM like him, pretty sure in Cyprus they love him too. Hard not to like a patriotic, down to earth, person with steady - traditional values like him.

[TooMuch]

No, a lot of people side with the separatists in Ukraine and prefer not to see a world war over some Cold War-feelings that are created as a political powerplay.
That does not mean those people side with or defend Russia.

I just don't think it's the enemy people make of it.

Yes, for Team US there is only one stance: you are either with us or against us. They accuse you time and again of things (like denying there being Russians in Ukraine for example, or the other way that you have said things) but when asked to show the proof/links/posts they ALWAYS keep quiet.

[ringpriest]

The airwing of today is superior to the airwing of the 90s in capability, and it has a better availability while underway. The F-14 and A-6 were great planes, but they were VERY hard to maintain. The escort group now consists of 4-5 AEGIS ships of 9000+ tons displacement, which increases their AAW capability. While the dedicated ASW ships are gone, the DDGs carry a full ASW system and 2 ASW helicopters and there is the usual 1-2 escorting SSNs. The USN is also not seeing the F-35 as its backbone of the future, the USN does not trust stealth.

In 1988 the carrier had 2 squadrons of fighters that could launch 4-6 missiles at a range of 100nmi and an AAW screen of 2 Cruisers (which may or may not have been AEGIS) and 2 AAW destroyers, almost all of which were equipped with twin rail launchers for their SAMs.

Today the carrier has 4 squadrons of fighters that can launch 4-6 missiles at a range of 98nmi and an AAW screen of 1-2 AEGIS cruisers and 2-3 AEGIS destroyers all equipped with VLS.

The Harpoon is not the only anti-ship weapon in the US, it is the only dedicated long range one.

You're neglecting the operational range of the squadrons then and now - the Tomcats had a decent shot at killing the Backfires before they could launch. The F/A-18s, unless they get very lucky, don't - they're stuck either trying to kill all the recon and hope that's good enough, or trying to nail inbound hypersonic missiles. And you're playing semantic games with the "4 squadrons" line for a modern strike group - sure, they can do that, if they do nothing but sit and wait for a big maritime airstrike (which mission-kills the carrier just as effectively as putting a couple of holes in it does). In practice, a good fraction of those aircraft are going to carrying out strike, recon, air support, etc.

Where are you getting those 100 nm ranges from? To the best of my knowledge, the F/A-18 doesn't pack anything with more than a fraction of that range.

My point about the Harpoon was that its range is low compared to its competitors fielded by other likely opponents.

The Navy may not trust the F-35, but it looks like they're still going to get it rammed down their throats. Probably the best thing for the carriers now would be if the whole program crashed and burned, but its likely too late for that.

You're right about the F-14's MTTR, MTBF, and the subsequent effects on availability, and being able to launch the SM2's (now SM3s, I think) from VLS is a very nice upgrade, which I wasn't thinking of - that will help the modern strike group massively... depending on whether the CVS has the short or long range SM3. And I'll be damned if I can find out relative deployment numbers of those. (Obviously the long range variant will let the CVS have a good shot at killing the strike aircraft, which does change the whole equation in favor of the CVS. If not, then they're back to square one (at best), because the Backfires and company can rearm and come back, when the CVS has to try to head back to base to reload them. (Unless the Navy has actually started reloading them at sea, which I highly doubt.))

On both air defense and ASW, things still end up very few hulls to do a lot of work, which makes the CVS brittle (prone to single-point failures). Plus, imho, the USN has gotten quite rusty at ASW work. And the shorter legs and reach of the CAP hurt too - it massively reduces the chances for a decisive victory (killing the strike aircraft), without which the carrier's only real outcomes are loss (mission kill) or draw (survival), and even the latter is a crappy outcome, because most of the missiles for the AEGIS will be spent.

It all comes back to fewer hulls and shorter ranges (on aircraft and missiles) - the higher-tech is nice, but ultimately, I don't think it makes up for the reduction in other capabilities. (At least not in a WWIII-flavored scenario.) Some of this is subjective, and of course, YMMV.

So much ends up riding on AEGIS performance in wartime...

[Jaxi]

Too bad a lot of facts contradict yous assumptions. Like EU danced to US tune with their sanctions, which backfired and viola, EURUSD is 1.1183 against solid 1.3500 before it happened.

Two years ago the exchange rate was 30.69368 Rubles per USD. Today it's 62.09787. I'd say the Euro is doing better against the dollar than the ruble is.

[Deleted]

Yes, for Team US there is only one stance: you are either with us or against us. They accuse you time and again of things (like denying there being Russians in Ukraine for example, or the other way that you have said things) but when asked to show the proof/links/posts they ALWAYS keep quiet.

Say what you want about our link's credibility but claiming we don't post links at all is just fucking stupid. I just have to mention boomgoesthedynamite and boom that claim goes out the window.

[Jaxi]

Hard not to like a patriotic, down to earth, person with steady - traditional values like him.

A lot of dictators are charming individuals.

[Ulmita]

A lot of dictators are charming individuals.

Who is a dictator again?

[Jaxi]

Who is a dictator again?

Putin, obviously.

[TooMuch]

Say what you want about our link's credibility but claiming we don't post links at all is just fucking stupid. I just have to mention boomgoesthedynamite and boom that claim goes out the window.

Jesus, READ what I type. You guys accuse me of a lot (even giving examples), but when asking proof for those accusations you never follow through?
You again gave a good example of just replying because of, not because you even read what's been posted.

[Rukentuts]

Who is a dictator again?

Do I need to link how authoritarian Putin's politics are again?

[Marcellus1986]

Who is a dictator again?

The one clamping down on the media in his country and killing opposition leaders in the streets?

[Ulmita]

Hahaha, this is funny. =)

May i ask what kind of evidence do you have that support that Putin ordered his execution?

[Ninepenny]

However; the Russians who are in this thread defend Russia. I'm yet to see a pro-Western Russian (who hasn't already fled the country).

Forgot the "Russians crave for a fat cock in their mouths and assess"-guy already?.

[May90]

Too bad a lot of facts contradict yous assumptions. Like EU danced to US tune with their sanctions, which backfired and viola, EURUSD is 1.1183 against solid 1.3500 before it happened.

OR they could just have similar views on the situation, believing that stopping Russia's advance is more important than some economical benefit from trading with it. Ridiculous, I know.

I don't know, I've never seen this attitude with any other country. Even Chinese people seem more realistic than the Ruskies on this forum.

I do not like to say such things since they are essentially a nation bashing... But yes, I've been, pretty much, all over the world and spoke, I think, with a person from every single (not very tiny) country, even with a North Korean runaway. I don't think I've met anyone with such distorted views as those of some Russians.

Ruskies? The vast majority of people defending Russia in here, are not Russian lol

Or so they claim. You never know, right? When a person from, as he claims, Italy knows an awful lot about Russia and life inside it, its significant personas and such - you start unwillingly wondering if this person isn't just saying he is from Italy to create an impression that Russian propaganda doesn't influence his views. Not accusing you or anyone else in anything, it just seems suspicious to me.

[Ninepenny]

This thread clearly shows that access to the Internet today doesn't mean brainwashing is impossible. People believe in what they want to believe, they interpret what they read in the Internet the way they want to interpret. The amount of misconceptions Russia supporters here have about the US, Europe, China is staggering, it's like they live in some parallel reality having no interaction with ours, except for this thread. "China and Russia will defend each other", "US dreams of dominating the world", "European countries are US' slaves" - conspiracy theories mixed in with persecution mania can lead to outstandingly ridiculous beliefs.

Mr. "Putin-did-it" speaks again. Refer to Pot and Kettle, please.

[Jaxi]

Or so they claim. You never know, right?

One of them is automatically assuming I'm British. I feel like drinking tea now.

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Jesus, READ what I type. You guys accuse me of a lot (even giving examples), but when asking proof for those accusations you never follow through?
You again gave a good example of just replying because of, not because you even read what's been posted.

You say we don't provide links for our claims. Period. Even a man of your stature has to be able to read your own post before posting.

[TooMuch]

You say we don't provide links for our claims. Period. Even a man of your stature has to be able to read your own post before posting.

You take ONE part of a sentence to make your claim, now connect it to the first part and see how it holds up. So much for reading comprehension, but that you have showed to not have all the time. For your reference, here is the whole sentence again:
"They accuse you time and again of things (like denying there being Russians in Ukraine for example, or the other way that you have said things) but when asked to show the proof/links/posts they ALWAYS keep quiet."

And the sad thing? You can't even admit you made a mistake. Even Gabriel, Iron Fist, Davillage do that, but you? Can reference to the post Djalil made earlier again, where you did exact the same thing...