WoD Beta Demonology Discussion

[Novx]

Doubled the damage /facepalm

[Zevoa]

Hey guys, let's just double all spell power modifiers. Seems legit.

[Gihelle]

Oh well, it might actually outdps tanks now.

On a pretty old note, I WANNA GET OFF MR. CELESTALON'S RIDE

[Snuzzfizzle]

"And then we doubled it."

[xskarma]

Anyone has simcraft position of demo buffed?

Numbers are only just in, even if we get the Warlock numbers done we still won't know how it compares to others (that got buffed and I assume nerfed as well). The results will come out soon enough.

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Where do you see the changes?

Euh front page?

[Nalistar]

Is Soulfire again better than ToC in meta with the newest coefficients?

[Baconeggcheese]

So from pre-massive nerf patch to current:

Doom: 150 > 120 (20% nerf)

HoG: 22.5 > 18, 86 > 68.8 > 137.6 (20% nerf, 37.5% buff)
CW: 131.28 > 105 > 210 (59.96% buff)

SB: 124.2 > 74 > 52.4 > 105 (15% nerf)
ToC: 69.03 > 40 > 56 (18% nerf)

DB: 250 > 150 > 375, 60s > 40s (50% buff, 33% reduced debuff duration)

SF: 42.5 > 34 > 68 (60% buff)

So corruption, SB, ToC saw a nerf

SF, DB got a massive buff.

HoG initial damage still tiny bit down, DoT got a massive buff.

[Rooskie1993]

can anyone tell me how good this will make locks again? I have a 585 lock alt but didnt really wanna lvl it in wod because I felt locks were weak just from everything ive heard I havnt downloaded beta even tho I got a key like 2 months ago (didnt wanna spoil the wod experience)

[garonne]

So from pre-massive nerf patch to current:

corruption: 150 > 120 (20% nerf)

HoG: 22.5 > 18, 86 > 68.8 > 137.6 (20% nerf, 37.5% buff)
CW: 131.28 > 105 > 210 (59.96% buff)

SB: 124.2 > 74 > 52.4 > 105 (15% nerf)
ToC: 69.03 > 40 > 56 (18% nerf)

DB: 250 > 150 > 375, 60s > 40s (50% buff, 33% reduced debuff duration)

SF: 42.5 > 34 > 68 (60% buff)

So corruption, SB, ToC saw a nerf

SF, DB got a massive buff.

HoG initial damage still tiny bit down, DoT got a massive buff.

it changed doom not corr

[Baconeggcheese]

it changed doom not corr

Fixed, did that real fast :P

[Jetjaguar]

These set bonuses seem pretty insane. The 4piece summons an image demon form man that spams soul fires at your target(seems to be ~5% of damage). Hand of Gul'dan uptime is nuts.

The 2pc is actually kinda annoying. With "good" RNG im spending almost the entire time out of meta HoG > spells > HoG > spells > HoG > spells. Casted 6 HoG's in one sequence.

[Zevoa]

Imps are broken again.

[Baconeggcheese]

The 2pc is actually kinda annoying. With "good" RNG im spending almost the entire time out of meta HoG > spells > HoG > spells > HoG > spells. Casted 6 HoG's in one sequence.

I actually found this part hilarious and fun, the demon guy felt underwhelming.

[Gaidax]

New Demonbolt sparks a sick curiosity for me... Anyone got numbers yet?

[Avikur]

Oh wow! DB hits like a truck now, it hits nearly as hard as Cataclysm does, definitely seems worth taking as the single target option now

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tier pieces are available to test on the lvl 100 PVE server in Org, I like the Demonology 4 set bonus, it gives you a very faint looking Dark Apotheosis looking effect

[Deleted]

Oh wow! DB hits like a truck now, it hits nearly as hard as Cataclysm does, definitely seems worth taking as the single target option now

PREPARE FOR THE 25% BASELINE PVP NERF. Seriously, Demo just turned into a really good PvP choice since it's Bolt deals Chaos, stacks damage and you got a shitton more mobility due to Meta.

Demo changes look pretty good numbers wise as well, even if it's a flat double of old values for most changes. Can we fix Destro now too?

[Crisius]

Seems like I hit the nail pretty spot on in regards to the demo buffs.

[Deleted]

New Demonbolt sparks a sick curiosity for me... Anyone got numbers yet?

I have no Raid numbers, but in Duels I had Demonbolts(0) about 63k with Dark Soul

[Deleted]

4 Stacks Demonbolt on the Dummy 125k NONcrit with Buffs up.
A 200k+ Demonbolt with 10 Stacks is NP.
The 2P auf Demo is great 100% Uptime Hand of Gul'dan with multidot on 3 Dummys.
The 4P makes 4% DMG in a 10 Minute Dummyfight.

SB and SF is fine but i think Demonbolt will get a nerf and the 2P too (Or they nerf Hand of Guldan).

[Alarinth]

This seems like a very, very big buff. Got no simulations or anything to back up that with, but I think this is just a buff to chuck demo up from useless, and then start the fine tuning in a later build. Particularily so for Demonbolt. Again, no numbers to back that up.