"The Man has to Pay for the Date" - No Different from Prostitution.

[Chirri]

I dunno. Sending over a drink as a way to test the waters reminds me of a middle schooler having their friend go over to test the water for them. If you're interested, go express your interest personally rather than using a middle man/server.

Which is another matter entirely from the title of this thread.

[Independent voter]

Then maybe men need to stop thinking buying women stuff will gain their interest? Its an insulting way of showing interest in someone, vs just talking to them.

You're not following the script. I buy a drink. The lady gets the drink, the bartender points me out. I can tell if she likes me or not. If she smiles or something I walk up to her and talk to her.

It's just a mating ritual. If you do away with them, it's going to make meeting people harder.

I don't go into bars and do this myself, but if it works for people why criticize?

[spinner981]

Edit: Men of course still have a ridiculously unfair advantage in life over women, just talking about a specific issue.

What exactly is this advantage? Also, what exactly do you define as life? Like, living to an old age? Are you referring to having a 'ridiculously unfair' biological advantage? A social advantage? An intellectual advantage? You probably could find parts of life where men hold the advantage, but just making such a vague statement isn't going to prove anything.

[diddle]

Then maybe men need to stop thinking buying women stuff will gain their interest? Its an insulting way of showing interest in someone, vs just talking to them.

I agree, but that's a two way street. In that case shouldn't women actively refuse such offers to denounce such stereotypes?

[Fugus]

For me, thinking of some woman who gets a guy to buy them a drink just to blow them off is kinda like going to a time-share for a free vacation only to not show up after they got off the plane.

If you don't want to talk to the man, then don't take the damn drink as you know that it is implied as part of that social interaction. Don't play the game if you don't like playing the game. The quicker girls realize it, the sooner they will realize just how much of a cunt they are when they do that to guys. (FYI, never had this happen to me personally so don't try and claim it has to form some strawman).

[Pool of the Dead]

I've had nights where I've bought Dinner for us both, Nights where She's bought Dinner for us both and nights where we've paid our own way.

If it was constantly me paying i would pull her up on it, but since it evens out I don't really care to much if I'm paying "sometimes".

[diddle]

What exactly is this advantage? Also, what exactly do you define as life? Like, living to an old age? Are you referring to having a 'ridiculously unfair' biological advantage? A social advantage? An intellectual advantage? You probably could find parts of life where men hold the advantage, but just making such a vague statement isn't going to prove anything.

"Women Hold 20% of World’s Political Power"

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...er-report-says

Don't play stupid mate

[Crissi]

A slight advantage? Men have it much better than women in every sector of industry.

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I went to a gay bar with my wife, a man offered me a drink - I thanked him yet denied it as I assumed he was interested in me and didn't want to lead him on.

While I also wont accept drinks or food or gifts from guys I'm not interested in, guys need to stop thinking buying women stuff is an acceptable alternative to talking to the woman in order to show interest. You cant buy women's interest.

[Reg]

For me, thinking of some woman who gets a guy to buy them a drink just to blow them off is kinda like going to a time-share for a free vacation only to not show up after they got off the plane.

If you don't want to talk to the man, then don't take the damn drink as you know that it is implied as part of that social interaction. Don't play the game if you don't like playing the game. The quicker girls realize it, the sooner they will realize just how much of a cunt they are when they do that to guys. (FYI, never had this happen to me personally so don't try and claim it has to form some strawman).

Sounds like victim blaming. Women are at fault for accepting the drink even though the man should have known better than to buy her one.

[Crissi]

You're not following the script. I buy a drink. The lady gets the drink, the bartender points me out. I can tell if she likes me or not. If she smiles or something I walk up to her and talk to her.

It's just a mating ritual. If you do away with them, it's going to make meeting people harder.

I don't go into bars and do this myself, but if it works for people why criticize?

Its your money to waste and potentially get exploited, I guess

[starlord]

I agree, but that's a two way street. In that case shouldn't women actively refuse such offers to denounce such stereotypes?

most people dont give a flying fart about stereotypes. "free drinks yay"

[Cthulhu 2020]

Don't buy her anything, go dutch. If she expects you to pay because she can't, pay and don't ask for a second date.

I've won a lot of attention just by intelligent conversation.

[diddle]

While I also wont accept drinks or food or gifts from guys I'm not interested in, guys need to stop thinking buying women stuff is an acceptable alternative to talking to the woman in order to show interest. You cant buy women's interest.

I absolutely agree, yet most women I know take advantage of it as if they are entitled to it given how male dominated the world is - which I don't hatefully condemn as it's true, but it's still very hypocritical of many women. (I'm sorry if this sounds generalized, I know there are many women who also are aware of this cycle.)

[Independent voter]

Is MMO-C turning into TheRedPill or something?

"Method Man and Redman speak on a lot of RP truths concerning divorce rape (self.TheRedPill)"

WTF? Divorce rape? lol

[Fugus]

Sounds like victim blaming. Women are at fault for accepting the drink even though the man should have known better than to buy her one.

Sounds like refusing to accept reality by denying the implications and expectations of social interactions.

The woman IS at fault when she accepts a drink knowing the expectations of taking it. Just like many other things, if you do something knowing what it leads to, you have no one to blame but yourself when it is expected of you.

[Reg]

Sounds like refusing to accept reality by denying the implications and expectations of social interactions.

The woman IS at fault when she accepts a drink knowing the expectations of taking it. Just like many other things, if you do something knowing what it leads to, you have no one to blame but yourself when it it expected of you.

So ... victim blaming. It's not the males fault at all.

Bullshit.

[Fugus]

So ... victim blaming.

So... continuing to deny reality of social interactions.......

[Nerevar]

Is this place being taken over by tumblr?

[Sledfang]

"Women Hold 20% of World’s Political Power"

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...er-report-says

Don't play stupid mate

Again, your notion that men have a "ridiculous unfair" advantage just isn't true overall in western society. Men holding 80% of the political power only benefits those very few men who are actually employed as politicians. Its not like they have meetings about how they can make other guys rich and not women. Same thing with CEO's who are mostly males, that is a very very small segment of the population. The vast majority of all males or females will never have a chance to be a CEO even if the ratio was 50:50, thus the vast majority will never have been held down by the CEO gender glass ceiling. Also the points in the article that were valid are in non-western countries. Nobody is arguing that its much better to be a man in China, India, or a Muslim majority countries. Most of the people on this board live in the West.

[Reg]

So... continuing to deny reality of social interactions.......

And who are you to define social interactions? I was told as a child to never to turn down a free gift.