Jewlcrafting useless?

[Deleted]

hey guys, so i was debating what patterns to buy on my JC from my garrison, so i went to SW to ask which gems were most in demand, somebody said nonoe cos theres no sockets, so i looked through all the raids for WoD in all difficultys and none of the gear have any sockets, is this a bug? are sockets only in certain gear? why havnt they kept sockets in all gear? this is rediculous and massive F U to jewlcrafters, more or less a useless profession now

[Phokas]

They've gutted most professions in this manner to make raiding and changing gear on the fly more accessible. Only neck, rings and cloak get enchanted now, and I can do all of it on my own at my garrison. Raw material prices will increase and final products will fall. Just sell ore if your intention is to make money.

[Deleted]

so whats benefit do i get of been a JC? none?

[Odobisean]

There are still sockets on Warlords gear except they are just a random roll and seem to roll very frequently. This will mean less sales but higher money per sale. Benefits besides gold have been removed however.

[Surfd]

Sockets still exist, however there are a few new "things" with them.
- Meta gems are gone (i dont think helms can roll with them any more).
- Gear that normally has a socket (chest, gloves, pants, shoulders) i think, have a chance to "randomly" roll a socket as an upgrade. Sockets on most gear are not guaranteed, but they can still appear.
- Gem "colors" and socket "bonuses" are gone. All WoD gems are "prismatic" and there is only one type of "uncut" gem (though there will still be common / rare / possibly epic variants of that one gem type.

That said, your "valueable" gem types will probably still be the ones with the "1 x 1" or "2x" secondary stat variations. Since Pure primary stats only affect attack power now, the "X + Y" secondary stat or "2X" secondary stat type ones will prob give more bang for your buck in the dps calculations department.

[Serzha]

They've gutted most professions in this manner to make raiding and changing gear on the fly more accessible. Only neck, rings and cloak get enchanted now, and I can do all of it on my own at my garrison. Raw material prices will increase and final products will fall. Just sell ore if your intention is to make money.

Weapons still need enchants as well, and as far as I recall only enchanters can make the good ones.
Every piece of gear that drops from a boss (so dungeons, raids, world bosses) have a chance to have a socket, which would let you stuff in a gem from Jewelcrafting.
(Plus JC can make some crafted gear: Rings and Neck.)

[Phokas]

Weapons still need enchants as well, and as far as I recall only enchanters can make the good ones.
Every piece of gear that drops from a boss (so dungeons, raids, world bosses) have a chance to have a socket, which would let you stuff in a gem from Jewelcrafting.
(Plus JC can make some crafted gear: Rings and Neck.)

True. No weapon enchant for the DK type though.

[-Zait-]

Those are some insane changes, had no idea.

[Phuongvi]

cant answer that fucking question, cant log to that fucking game since the last 24 hours

[Pyromelter]

Those are some insane changes, had no idea.

I wouldn't call them insane, I would call them needlessly oversimplified.

Blizzard, fixing things no one want changed for 25 years now.

[Deleted]

I am 8 hours from logging into my jewlcrafter, then i can tell.

[Temp name]

Items have a small chance to drop with a socket, which you can then add a gem to. If you have JC, you can also make some rings and necks you can sell.

[Grimbold21]

It's useless when these jackasses are already tanking the prices of gems to below 100g....

[Deleted]

I have actually been making good money from gems, sold loads of green quality ones at around 125g each.

The price of blue quality gems concerns me somewhat. Given the insane amount of mats required to make blue quality gems the price is going to need to be like 3000g+. Is anyone other than those pushing for world first really going to pay an extra 2900g for +15 of a secondary stat?

[Alroxas]

Another day, another JC post...

Seriously though, does no one bother to read wonderful guides that Wowhead has produced? Like this one on JC?

Yes sockets are rarer now on gear (although to be fair, I've gotten 3 sockets already from gear pieces that dropped from H. Dungeons) which means that gem market is tighter. However, gems are also simplified to the secondary stats.

Moreover, since spirit can only be found on non-armor gear (necklaces, rings) JC are going to be the initial source of good healer gear as mana regen can be an issue early on (until spirit gear is on farm from Highmaul).

Additionally, the garrison building allows JC to craft items to sell for gold (range is 75-300g) and while that seems low, consider that even bonus loot rolls are now purchasable by gold.

[Grimbold21]

I have actually been making good money from gems, sold loads of green quality ones at around 125g each.

The price of blue quality gems concerns me somewhat. Given the insane amount of mats required to make blue quality gems the price is going to need to be like 3000g+. Is anyone other than those pushing for world first really going to pay an extra 2900g for +15 of a secondary stat?

On launch night there were no haste gems on the AH, so i figured i was the 1st one to do it. Put about 3 of them for 300g and till late Friday the price was steady around 200-300g mark.

I also checked the mastery gem and that was being sold for 400g. Managed to sell a 3 or 4 before the "crash".

To my surprise on late saturday and Sunday i checked the prices and haste one is already at 80g and the mastery one was 140g today.

Never have i seen prices crash so rapidly. And then people say that it's people trying to sell their stuff....

[Psychomantis]

Another day, another JC post...

Seriously though, does no one bother to read wonderful guides that Wowhead has produced? Like this one on JC?

Yes sockets are rarer now on gear (although to be fair, I've gotten 3 sockets already from gear pieces that dropped from H. Dungeons) which means that gem market is tighter. However, gems are also simplified to the secondary stats.

Moreover, since spirit can only be found on non-armor gear (necklaces, rings) JC are going to be the initial source of good healer gear as mana regen can be an issue early on (until spirit gear is on farm from Highmaul).

Additionally, the garrison building allows JC to craft items to sell for gold (range is 75-300g) and while that seems low, consider that even bonus loot rolls are now purchasable by gold.

I have found some rare exceptions to the Spirit thing such as these shoulders my Priest has...http://www.wowhead.com/item=119356&bonus=0

[Deleted]

I wouldn't call them insane, I would call them needlessly oversimplified.

Blizzard, fixing things no one want changed for 25 years now.

I wouldn't call them needlessly oversimplified.

It took 0 skill for experienced users(simcraft + askmrrobot).. Even for new players it took 0 skill once they did it once!

Game must be about having fun/challenge.. not checking simcraft and calculating which gems should you put in!
Real skill must be in aiming skillshots/avoiding them.. reacting to enemy players/fight mechanism.. while managing perfect rotation!

If you care about money not actual gameplay - then agree, JC/Enchanting won't earn as much as they did!
But same with miners/herbalists - because of garrisons.
Maybe that is better - more focus on actual gameplay, not controlling AH prices.
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Changes are NOT insane or needlessly oversimplified.. Blizzard just changed direction - towards actual gameplay!
Wait few months while everyone gets used - most people will love it!

[Mavecryst]

Wait... I think I'm missing something, cause no one has asked this yet...

If gear only has a % chance of dropping with a gem slot, wouldn't that make whatever gear you get less useful if it doesn't have a gem slot? To gear up the best way you'd still wait for the version of the drop with a gem slot no?

And if it's equal to gear with no gem slots (which means any gear WITH gem slots have downgraded stats to match), that would make JC really useless.. So which evil is it?

[JemiS]

Yes, it means that BiS is RNG based.