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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I'd say it's normal to have stretch marks and acne.
    Definitely normal for stretch marks, i have minor ones from working out on my inner thigh, they're invisible now though.

    But most girls i've seen... You know, have had them.

    Some healed, some fresh, others slightly healed ect.

    Acne i won't comment on, i've only seen 2 people so far with it that i'd say is actually acne

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    No one is talking about "conforming to their toys"....That doesn't even make sense.
    So what is it you are arguing other than toys setting the standard to comply with.
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    improve into something impossible
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    Barbie as normally presented is an unhealthy influence on children.
    That is your premise. Unless you moved the goal. What is it you are arguing?.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by nextormento View Post
    So what is it you are arguing other than toys setting the standard to comply with.

    That is your premise. Unless you moved the goal. What is it you are arguing?.
    Toys create expectations, skills, and perspectives in children. Dolls that present physically impossible standards of beauty in their part contribute to body image issues. This is so simple its a mystery you seem to not understand it.

  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    "Acne occurs most commonly during adolescence, affecting an estimated 80–90% of teenagers in the Western world. Lower rates are reported in some rural societies. In 2010 it was estimated to be the 8th most common disease globally affecting 650 million people"
    That's...

    Damn, i didn't know that.

    It sounds almost unbelievable, i always viewed acne as being the worst of breakouts and being continual, not a one off breakout of zits or something.

    Like this;


  5. #185
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    Now all we need is Hambeast otherkin barbie complete with Macbook set on tumblr and fanfiction.net

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Dolls that present physically impossible standards of beauty in their part contribute to body image issues. This is so simple its a mystery you seem to not understand it.
    That is something I agree with. That contribution is a fact, now let's divine the causation link:
    Are you are arguing that the aggregate of people conform to their toys?
    Are you arguing that some children are so neglected that they inevitably fall into lack of critical thinking?
    Are you arguing that the influence they exert is greater than that of an educator?
    Are you arguing that the contribution is large enough for us to be concerned?

    Because going from 'it influences, it contributes', to 'it is unhealthy' is a leap of logic. Even if I admit that it can be negative to some people, I'm not willing to tag it as universally and unequivocally unhealthy, given it may be positive to a larger audience

    Be as it may, Barbie has had very positive influence on some women, that took the very professional paths Barbie took: doctor, veterinarian, teacher, dentist, firefighter, architect... . Paths in life that Barbie takes on each iteration in spite of being totally able to work as a cam-whore, a black widow, a prostitute, or any other field in which beauty is a requirement. Not like any of those paths in life are bad in any way: Barbie is simply breaking that particular stereotype. Because that is the point Barbie generally delivers: get over cute, girl; be all pretty if you want to, but learn a profession and contribute to the world (and Barbie doesn't need to ban 'bossy' or brand toys as 'unhealthy' in the process to be a success).
    Last edited by nextormento; 2014-11-23 at 08:35 PM.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by nextormento View Post
    That is something I agree with. That contribution is a fact, now let's divine the causation link:
    Are you are arguing that the aggregate of people conform to their toys?
    Are you arguing that some children are so neglected that they inevitably fall into lack of critical thinking?
    Are you arguing that the influence they exert is greater than that of an educator?
    Are you arguing that the contribution is large enough for us to be concerned?

    Because going from 'it influences, it contributes', to 'it is unhealthy' is a leap of logic. Even if I admit that it can be negative to some people, I'm not willing to tag it as universally and unequivocally unhealthy, given it may be positive to a larger audience

    Be as it may, Barbie has had very positive influence on some women, that took the very professional paths Barbie took: doctor, veterinarian, teacher, dentist, firefighter, architect... . Paths in life that Barbie takes on each iteration in spite of being totally able to work as a cam-whore, a black widow, a prostitute, or any other field in which beauty is a requirement. Not like any of those paths in life are bad in any way: Barbie is simply breaking that particular stereotype. Because that is the point Barbie generally delivers: get over cute, girl; be all pretty if you want to, but learn a profession and contribute to the world (and Barbie doesn't need to ban 'bossy' or brand toys as 'unhealthy' in the process to be a success).
    There's nothing healthy about Barbie toys that can't be obtained with toys that don't propagate impossible standards. This is a poor defense.

  8. #188
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    This is fine, but for little boys action toys maybe we could have a slouch or a fat guy doing stuff? I never got the amount of attention barbie got solely but toys like GI Joe or He-Man are just ignored. (unless some feminists want to complain about "Toxic masculinity")

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    There's nothing healthy about Barbie toys that can't be obtained with toys that don't propagate impossible standards. This is a poor defense.
    What defense? I don't even like Barbie. And I've said repeatedly that I like this new doll; for I truly support diversity: not just the kind of diversity that some people would like to police. (What? my diversity is not the approved one?). And I support giving people, particularly children, the power to choose.

    What kind of lame binary world do you live in that you think me saying that some toy is not unhealthy means that it is healthy?.

    Your claim is that Barbie is unhealthy; I simply don't buy it: for we know it hasn't been unhealthy for some large amount of people. At best, it's relative (to their own experience and background). I'm sorry if your background is that which gives you the ability to divine the absolute truth. If some people find everything they need on a Barbie doll, get positively influenced by her, and also find a way to succeed in life through it, who am I to decry their hobby as unhealthy?. If you need to ignore the reality of people for whom this doll has been such a positive influence just to make a point, your argument is invalid dogma is corrosive.
    Last edited by nextormento; 2014-11-23 at 09:26 PM.

  10. #190
    I thought the last sticker was blood dripping down her stomach.

    The proportions are fine. The stickers are stupid.

  11. #191
    If she had a lit cigarette hanging out of the corner of her mouth that would be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    The New ‘Normal Barbie’ Comes With an Average Woman’s Proportions — and Cellulite-Sticker Accessories.
    So this is normal?
    Yeah, it's normal. And IMO, it looks a lot better than the "usual Barbie".

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