pretty much. Too many characters, not enough time/content to implement them all in a big way
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They are at war with the Draenai, these are Draneai cities, making them not full of 'innocents'?
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what difference does this make? Its the same arguments over the whole Theramore thing.
There are no 'military things you can attack and non-military things you cannot attack' - that's not how war works.
If it belongs to the enemy, you attack it, or do something to it, plain and simple - does not matter wtf it is
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
First he was like "Leave no enemy alive! We will burn their cities!". After like 15 minutes he was like "I won't slay so many innocents!" to which Blackhand answers "Innocents?!". I found Blackhand's reaction and voice acting to be right in tune with the rp as he thinks Orgrim has gone crazy for some reason.
Nice writing, Metzen. So logical.
So military forces should just completely ignore members of the populace who insert themselves into the armed conflict? "Wait, don't shoot that guy attacking us. He's not wearing a uniform. Just let him continue killing our guys."
The conquering party is going in to conquer, defeating any resistance. People have every right to take up arms to defend themselves, but they are waiving any expectation for exemption as civilians. They make themselves valid military targets and casualties of war.
If the conquering party then goes out of their way to murder non-combatants, that's a different matter entirely.
Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2014-11-27 at 08:49 AM.
The issue gets a lot more muddy when you consider that most people have no desire to be become soldiers, and wouldn't have taken up arms to defend themselves had the conquering party not engaged in...well...conquering. Of course a solider isn't going to ignore someone who threatens his life with a weapon. Big picture though? I'm giving the moral high ground to the guy who picked up a gun to defend his loved ones after an army bombed out his neighbourhood. Not the professional soldier who is part of the army engaged in the conquering.
That's a rather...adolescent view of warfare. People go to war for no other reason then to defend their homes, friends, and loved ones all the time.
As to your main question about morals and war mixing?
https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl....xsp?redirect=0
I'll leave you to peruse on your own time.
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We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
Then you're being, at best, obtuse. At worst? You're applying the mentality of a thirteen year old to the question of warfare.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
You're using words, but not properly.
You understand that "realpolitik" as a philosophy has been used to curtail war just as much as it's been used to justify it, right?
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So when Alliance attack Orgrimmar why they didn't 'care' for civilians, or Undercity, or because it was horde it has no 'civilians' ?
Or maybe because there is no other option and you can still minimize the civilian casuals even when you attack a city?
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Pretty much orcs killed, raped and destroyed each others when there was no alien enemy to fight, and in that time humans were aliens to orcs (and other way around)
If it wasn't for Defias brotherhood and humans proved they suck as free slaves, doubt the alliance would try to keep orcs alive as new slaves
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Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
They do but there are plenty of cannonical instances that show that Orgrim did more then wage war. Pretty sure he tortured civilians and drank their blood.
Or if you want to look at it another way...how many human survivors were left alive in Alliance lands he conquered? How many humans would have been left alive had he won the war? The answer's none. He didn't wage war on the Alliance to defeate their armies and extend his domain. He did it to kill off the local populations and take their lands. He wasn't just waging war. He was waging a campaign of ethnic cleansing.
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I think you have very wrong info, this is the horde not the alliance, alliance purged trolls from their lands to take over them, horde were more or less want to fight, if no human around, they will fight each others
The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power