Page 1 of 2
1
2
LastLast
  1. #1
    I am Murloc! Velshin's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    One with the Light
    Posts
    5,528

    Wisdom and Experience VS Strength and Courage

    Hey everyone, often when the person grows up he/she will become more experienced but also less powerful (you know getting very old naturally your body strength will be weaker than your younger days) and gain wisdom.


    Usually when the person is pretty young he/she is more reckless and doesn't fear anything sometimes it's bravery and courage but sometimes it's also recklessness and stupidity. The more you grow up and less reckless/brave you become and the wiser you become.

    For example, in my case in my younger days I could do things that I will never be able to do now because you know growing up being married and have children now I use my head before doing anything.

    I notice that also in international chess games. I play chess for 10 years now...and I notice the younger the player is the more aggressive and reckless/brave he/she even the way he moves the pieces and using sharp tactics and strategy without caring who is the opponent you are playing with even if it's Garry Kasparov or Magnus Carlsen....but once that player grows up he/she will have more knowledge and will not be as reckless as he/she used to be and will think twice before making a move.


    So in your opinion which is better? wisdom and experience or strength and courage?

    Thanks for reading and discuss please.


    NOTE: Sorry for the bad English it's not my first language.

  2. #2
    Scarab Lord Espe's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Muscle, bone and sinew tangled.
    Posts
    4,230
    The world is not black and white, but many shades of grey.

    The same can be said of all the people in it.
    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Espe View Post
    The world is not black and white, but many shades of grey.

    The same can be said of all the people in it.
    I ain't never seen no grey people except them aliens, but theys not from the world.

  4. #4
    I am Murloc! Velshin's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    One with the Light
    Posts
    5,528
    Quote Originally Posted by Espe View Post
    The world is not black and white, but many shades of grey.

    The same can be said of all the people in it.
    I know that, of course there are some exceptions but i'm talking in general that the older the person is the less reckless he/she will be and wiser.

  5. #5
    The Insane apepi's Avatar
    15+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Mostly harmless
    Posts
    19,388
    I would go with option three, Wisdom and Courage. You can get Strength and Experience in time, but not the others.
    Time...line? Time isn't made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round. ~ Caboose

  6. #6
    I am Murloc! Velshin's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    One with the Light
    Posts
    5,528
    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    I would go with option three, Wisdom and Courage. You can get Strength and Experience in time, but not the others.
    But isn't wisdom contradict (sorry if the spelling is wrong I hope you got what I mean) courage? for example, in WoW during the start of Cataclysm earth quake Velen suggested to leave the planet because he is super wise and he sees things no others can but of course others can see it as cowardice.

  7. #7
    The best kind of person will have all of these traits.

  8. #8
    The Lightbringer OzoAndIndi's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    U.S.
    Posts
    3,552
    Quote Originally Posted by Velshin View Post
    So in your opinion which is better? wisdom and experience or strength and courage?
    Neither.

    The young who have any good sense will learn from the wisdom and experience of the older ones and have a little better idea of what to avoid while off being strong and courageous. Life is sorta supposed to work that way, with elders passing down their knowledge to the young.... who will one day do the same.

    Though I'm not sure humanity is smart enough to get that anymore.

  9. #9
    These things are not mutually exclusive. The best things I've done have required wisdom, experience, and strength. I hesitate to use "courage", because I associate it with real danger.

  10. #10
    Deleted
    Strength and courage needs luck while wisdom and Experience needs preparation and resources.

    Humanity proves that the later one is a game breaker in the long run.

  11. #11
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by Velshin View Post
    For example, in my case in my younger days I could do things that I will never be able to do now because you know growing up being married and have children now I use my head before doing anything.
    Yeah. Living a lesser life, because you're a grown up now, need to be a good parent. Atleast the hormones go "wow kid amazing" for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    These things are not mutually exclusive. The best things I've done have required wisdom, experience, and strength. I hesitate to use "courage", because I associate it with real danger.
    You may have your own value for courage, however there are many values to this particular trait. The emotion of fear is survival-driven (as are other emotions) and is not always rational or applicable to our society (since evolution is a slow fish). To start a business, to talk to that beautiful woman, and other aspects of life all need courage. These are not really dangerous situations, but still produce fear. Courage overcomes fear.

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Summoner View Post
    You may have your own value for courage, however there are many values to this particular trait. The emotion of fear is survival-driven (as are other emotions) and is not always rational or applicable to our society (since evolution is a slow fish). To start a business, to talk to that beautiful woman, and other aspects of life all need courage. These are not really dangerous situations, but still produce fear. Courage overcomes fear.
    Sure, that wasn't intended as a shot at anyone. I just would hesitate to use the word about myself. The best things I've done, from my perspective, take some measure of courage, I think, but I feel weird using the term. The circumstances you mention are good examples; for me, I'd go with the best things I've done being (in no particular order) finishing my thesis and getting my doctorate, having a fantastic relationship with my fiancee, and running a strong marathon (or, more broadly, becoming a pretty good runner in general). Each of those definitely takes some mettle and grit, but I don't want to put those things in the same category as people risking life and limb.

    That last line though, that courage is overcoming fear, that rings true. Overcoming fear is necessary for most decent accomplishments.

  13. #13
    You can see it in Silicon Valley. Kids decide to start a huge company and they don't even stop to think about not being up to the job.

    Old people say, 'no way I could do that.'
    .

    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

  14. #14
    I am Murloc! Velshin's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    One with the Light
    Posts
    5,528
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    You can see it in Silicon Valley. Kids decide to start a huge company and they don't even stop to think about not being up to the job.

    Old people say, 'no way I could do that.'
    Exactly my point the less knowledge you have about life the more reckless/fearless you are. The more knowledge and experience you gain the more cautious and fear of circumstances you become.

  15. #15
    The Insane apepi's Avatar
    15+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Mostly harmless
    Posts
    19,388
    Quote Originally Posted by Velshin View Post
    But isn't wisdom contradict (sorry if the spelling is wrong I hope you got what I mean) courage? for example, in WoW during the start of Cataclysm earth quake Velen suggested to leave the planet because he is super wise and he sees things no others can but of course others can see it as cowardice.
    No? They do not contradict each other. Courage is the ability to keep on going, wisdom is the ability to use your knowledge in to solve things in ways that is genereally not seen, or have the knowledge that it is not your probelm to solve.

    Also people who call themselves wise, are not generally wise.

    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    Romans 1:22 ASV
    Time...line? Time isn't made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round. ~ Caboose

  16. #16
    Deleted
    interesting topic! i myself value wisdom and experience. i'm not a violent person and if for some reason i get in a fight with someone i always resolve it with my brain and not my fists. people respect you more and you dont get in trouble.

    thats just me ofc but imo wisdom always overcomes strength

  17. #17
    Young people would say bravery and strength, old people would say wisdom and experience, because generally that's all those cohorts have. When you have a limited tool set, you tend to orient yourself around solving problems your tool set provides solutions for. A very select few people can have three of the four tools you've mentioned; I've never seen people with all of them.

  18. #18
    You cant divide them really, both have their place.

    Strength and courage is needed to implement the ideas of the wise and experienced.

  19. #19
    "Antonidas' Silver Coin" kind of sums up my thoughts pretty well. Having a good amount of all four is preferred, just having one of the two options is just plain idiocy.
    3DS Friend Code: 1891-2236-0134

  20. #20
    Isn't strength and courage a byproduct of wisdom. I understand the question being asked, but I think from your post you meant young ignorance. Which isn't always bad. Sometimes I wish I didn't know as much as I do currently because surprises can be fun, and certain life games become less appealing when you know what's going on.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •