"We get a lot of positive feedback about Arms"

[Gandrake]

i just think this is going to be funny to see

poll will be up shortly

[melodramocracy]

Numbers aside, it is an incredibly uninteresting spec to play right now.

[Vulgrym]

It plays like half the rotation is missing.

[Redfingers]

Is that a real quote? Who the hell said that?

Blizzard is driving me insane.

[Notshauna]

Yeah it's pretty dumb but, I mean there has to be some dumb specs right? I mean as horrible as it sounds I'm kind of okay with Arms being dumb as Warriors already have 2 fun DPS specs and a tanking one, it's better than shoving it into a class that has fewer options (like Elemental could potentially become). I'm not satisfied with it, it could probably be meatier in terms of feel but it's not the worst thing in the world. I'm personally satisfied with Fury, Glad and Prot and Arms is just gravy, shitty gravy but gravy.

[Gandrake]

Is that a real quote? Who the hell said that?

Blizzard is driving me insane.

yeah, they said it in the twitch interview

its funny because the chick is like "thats not what they're saying in chat right now"

[Sliske]

Arms is fun in BG pvp

Arms if unbareably bad in PvE. like I cannot express how boring it is. I feel like i'm playing vanilla prot warrior. I don't even know why I press WW, it hits so little.

I'm so tired of just bullshit answers and blatent lying. Yes, lying. There is no fucking way you can say people are happy about arms right now. Every single day I see at least 2 threads on the wow forums of how fucking boring arms is, even on here, where the threads are much higher quality I still see people 'complaining' of how fucking shit arms is fun wise (and dps wise)

It is soul crushing beyond belief when you ask a dev why they aren't buffing arms and you get the response "because they're good in the execute phase". Give me a fuckin break, honestly. We are sat down and told they're sick of burst such as enhs doing 1.5mil burst for 45 sec at the start of every boss in SoO hc. We're sat down and told that they're sick of cooldown stacking.

What do we see? Frost mages with 4 cooldowns all stackable. Meanwhile others have 1 or 0.
What do we see? MM hunter burst disgusting beyond words, meanwhile other class burst BARELY EVEN NOTICEABLE.

What the actual fuck is going through their heads? You have to be willfully ignorant or a liar to not be able to recognize the problems that face warriors right now even as a casual player. What faith can we even hope to muster if a casual can do that yet the people WHOSE JOB IT IS TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THIS SHIT ALL DAY aren't smart enough to NERF GLADIATOR STANCE FROM 20% TO X% instead of nerfing fucking shield slam and revenge, dickslapping the worst tank in the game in terms of dps by collateral dmg.

We are all truly fucked for the rest of this expansion if they don't make big changes fast

[Gandrake]

yeah its not too bad in pvp (awfully boring in PvE), but ww hits for like shit all. have to wait until scabbard and bladestorm is up for me to reck people. have no real defensives though

its like, i can pop ER, but a hunter can pretty much also global me once im 35% =(

[Afrospinach]

It plays like half the rotation is missing.

Well I am not a warrior regular but I was messing around with it for a bit, Colossus smash, MS, rend and then....WW? That is it right? Feels very anemic to me compared with paladin and rogue.

[Deleted]

The roation is ok, the damage is not.

The only parts that suck about the rotation is

a) keeping rend up like a dot class, You swing a freaking 2hander and "rend" a target for a small dot?

b) having to use whirlwind as a filler instead of a single target filler. Too many times you have to stop your rotation because you don't want to whirlwind adds that the tank has to pick up. ( 2nd last Highmaul Boss for example )

Make rend into a passive ala Deep Wounds. Make Slam baseline and increase its damage by a lot to outpace Whirlwind.

[Deleted]

Rotation is boring. This would be acceptable if the single target DPS was up to scratch which it isn't, the AOE is good but that's about it.

[Deleted]

Actually it looks fair.
The gamage is as bad as rotation is simple =)

[Schwert]

Arms is braindead;
The moment it went up on beta and every change they did I tried it once and nope'd out.
That was not the warrior I rolled back when I first started.

For PvP if it becomes the only viable spec I will grab my 2k and not bother with the rest of the season outside HK farming.
Now that I'm playing casually unless it's parsing as badly as Fury is now I'm allowed to play what spec I want. And I refuse to play that garbage.

[Museigen]

They made similar comments about removing Heart Strike for Blood and replacing it with Blood Boil. "We had some feedback saying people used blood boil over heart strike in single target before WoD." This is kind of the tri-fecta for me. The first being designing a game around people who intentionally play an inferior method even knowing it's inferior. If they "Didn't know" heart strike was better on 1-3 targets it would be one thing, but they're designing around the fact that people knew it was "Wrong" and did it anyway. The second being the loss of another melee ability and focus on a spell, which they said they might do something about...eventually? The third being the mechanics of spamming an AoE on single, cleave and AoE because it's optimal. Spam one button regardless of what's happening on the screen! Having fun yet!?

It boils down to one of two things, either they are correct and a "silent majority" loves the prospect of one button to rule them all or they are incorrect and hoping people will learn to live with it. The major difference is that if it's the first idea and you don't agree with it then the game is going to be much less enjoyable for you. If it's the second one hopefully enough feedback can change their minds? Sadly, at least for the moment, it would appear any feedback is going to be drowned out by the overwhelmingly positive feedback from the new expansion surge. Wait a little while then start the feedback, after all those "everything is perfect" people quit the game from boredom when the shiny new feeling wears off.

[Strafir]

They keep referring to the fact that "people who haven't played for three expansions really feel that Arms is awesome". For the life of me I cannot understand why this demographic, that in all honestly just doesn't know any better, should be even taken into consideration. Rewinding a spec to what it was 10 years ago sounds incredibly stupid and It just blows my mind how the people in charge can think it's in any way a good idea. How about you make a spec fun to play for everyone and let the morons who just want to use mortal strike and whirlwind do so.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed Arms more than I did during Cataclysm when you just stacked raw damage (STR) and crit worked more like a decent way to bump your damage rather than something that enabled the spec. Hopefully in the future warriors could atleast have one spec that wasn't insanely crit dependent.

[Okacz]

They keep referring to the fact that "people who haven't played for three expansions really feel that Arms is awesome". I can understand if someone who hasn't played for ages and simple doesn't know better has this opinion, but for the people in charge to actually WANT to go backwards seems very very warped.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed Arms more than I did during Cataclysm when you just stacked raw damage (STR) and crit worked more like a decent way to bump your damage rather than something that enabled the spec. Hopefully in the future warriors could atleast have one spec that wasn't insanely crit dependent.

I havent beed playing Arms for 3 expansions. Tried it now, and it's simply an ugly, ugly spec. No feeling of "Strong but meaningfull hits" whatsoever, WW as the spambutton, talents barely offer any interaction with the spec (comparing to Fury), waiting for autoattacks to get rage, Rend. Icing on the shitcake, Colossus Smash which nearly requires you to spend most of your rotation just pooling resources over and over. I'm pretty sure the "positive feedback" is an ass pull.

[cFortyfive]

No idea how people can give positive feedback to that crap.
I might be able to live with fluffy pillow whirlwinds and what not but every time I end up in the execute phase and don't get autocrits or have to move out I want to throw my monitor at those 9 seconds pressing nothing noteworthy. The resource system is total a shitfest I wish I had at least had swordspec and windfury totem to not fall asleep.

[mysticx]

Current arms needs two things (And i mean "Needs them BADLY"): one more attack (Something single-target, can also help bring our ST DPS up to scratch) and some form of proc to make Rend and the rotation in general actually interesting.

I'm still hoping to get Rend-procs-Overpower back someday, it ticks both boxes and breaks up the Whirlwind-spamming as well.

[Cute Chen]

I don't mind Arms too much. We need Slam back and a better filler spell. Using whirlwind feels dumb. Whirlwind should be for Fury, like back in the day.

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I'm still hoping to get Rend-procs-Overpower back someday, it ticks both boxes and breaks up the Whirlwind-spamming as well.

I always hated Overpower, it just never felt good no matter what they tried to do with it, but the Rend proc mechanic was actually pretty decent. Maybe they could make Rend proc something else, like reset the cooldown on MS or something.

[Deleted]

I don't know how Arms ever made it through Quality Control. That is, if such a thing even exists.