Do you think the US and Mexican militaries should declare war on the cartels?

[Omgodzilla]

I'm talking about a full blown military invasion on the same level as Iraq or Afghanistan. It seems justified to me. The cartels are barbaric fiends just like ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. They're actually a bigger threat to the US since they're in the same neighbourhood. These bastards are as bad as ISIS. They go around decapitating people and making them fight to the death in gladiator style matches.

I wanna see head lines saying "Navy SEALS kill 50 cartel members" or "US drone strike kills cartel leader". Go full apeshit on these bastards. And don't give me the "oh but civilian casualties" bullshit. We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting against insurgents. Israel fights against terrorists hiding in civilian spaces all the time. I think the US, alongside Mexico should massacre the cartels. The civilized world must stand up to these savages.

[Wells]

Our military isn't another nation's police.

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And don't give me the "oh but civilian casualties" bullshit.

You probably shouldn't be debating whether to go to war or not.

[Puremallace]

No I think the US should Annex Mexico and just take it over then fix the problem from there. Until you deal with South America you will not really deal with the issue. The cartels are strongest in Columbia and there influences reaches to Mexico as a conduit.

[Omgodzilla]

Our military isn't another nation's police.

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You probably shouldn't be debating whether to go to war or not.

The cartel savages are invading the US. It very much is a US problem.

[Wells]

The cartel savages are invading the US. It very much is a US problem.

Armies invade. They're just criminals. We have civilians agencies that deal with criminal matters at the border.

[Zoaric]

I'd rather we not be fighting multiple battles at once, frankly.

[stumpy]

If you want to be part of a war, you could always enlist.

[Deleted]

Why risk your own military when you can get Mexico to deal with it themselves? I might be pulling numbers from my ass, but I was under the impression that the US gives billions to Mexico every year and part of that is obviously to combat drug cartels.

On top of that I think Mexico was been at war against the cartels for close to a decade by now.

[Gumboy]

Armies invade. They're just criminals. We have civilians agencies that deal with criminal matters at the border.

But what about the poor mexican citizens living under the reign of tyranny of the cartels in some areas? Surely they matter as much as Iraqi/Afghanistan civilians!

[Wells]

But what about the poor mexican citizens living under the reign of tyranny of the cartels in some areas? Surely they matter as much as Iraqi/Afghanistan civilians!

And I have no problem doing what can be done in reason to help them. But invading Mexico isn't it.

[Fullmetal89]

Why would they declare war on the cartels?

Mexico would never actually take on the cartels seriously. The drug cartels make up a significant portion of their countries GDP. They launder their drug money by investing in the country. I lived in Mexico City for 2 years and let me tell you there were high rises and big malls opening every month. The area I lived in, Santa Fe, was booming. Everyone knew that the shopping centers and hotels were owned by the cartel.

As for the U.S. they wouldn't do it for similar reasons. Our government has an incentive in keeping the cartels in business. How else will all these big government agencies get their funding if there is no violence on the border.

The only real way you can put a dent on the cartels is if all illegal substances were made legal and open for private business. The amount of competition would drown out the drug barons.

No I think the US should Annex Mexico and just take it over then fix the problem from there. Until you deal with South America you will not really deal with the issue. The cartels are strongest in Columbia and there influences reaches to Mexico as a conduit.

First off, why the hell would the U.S. want to annex Mexico with all it's problems. Second, Mexico has the strongest and deadliest cartels. They make their home in the Sinaloa region. Colombian cartels are no where near as powerful as they were under Pablo Escobar and Griselda Blanco.

[Neyze]

OR we could save everyone's time and money in a much more simple way by just legalizing the drugs they kill each other over. Even when you look at the violence within US inner cities, you'll see 90% of it is over gangs fighting for turf to sell drugs. Starting more wars won't solve any problems, you have to eliminate the source.

[Independent voter]

Sounds like a Call of Duty version.

Mexicans solve their own problems eventually. The government might be powerless but 20 to 40 guys will get together, get guns and kill all the cartel types. It's happened at least once that I know of, probably more.

[Mormolyce]

Honestly, seems like a far better use of time and money than invading Afghanistan and Iraq were.

Of course that's saying very, very little.

[Kaleredar]

Sounds like a Call of Duty version.

Mexicans solve their own problems eventually. The government might be powerless but 20 to 40 guys will get together, get guns and kill all the cartel types. It's happened at least once that I know of, probably more.

And then they become the new drug cartel.

At any rate, I'm all for ending the cartels, but invading Mexico isn't an option.

Empowering and aiding Mexico if they ask for help? That's different.




Hmm, also, inb4 "legalize drugs, it'd destroy the cartels..." The cartels have their fingers in a lot of bad things, beyond just "drugs." So unless legalizing human trafficking, gun-running, and so forth become legal, they aren't just going to evaporate overnight.

[breadisfunny]

I'm talking about a full blown military invasion on the same level as Iraq or Afghanistan. It seems justified to me. The cartels are barbaric fiends just like ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. They're actually a bigger threat to the US since they're in the same neighbourhood. These bastards are as bad as ISIS. They go around decapitating people and making them fight to the death in gladiator style matches.

I wanna see head lines saying "Navy SEALS kill 50 cartel members" or "US drone strike kills cartel leader". Go full apeshit on these bastards. And don't give me the "oh but civilian casualties" bullshit. We went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting against insurgents. Israel fights against terrorists hiding in civilian spaces all the time. I think the US, alongside Mexico should massacre the cartels. The civilized world must stand up to these savages.

that would play real well with the press. drone strikes mistakes bus for suspected cartel drug trafficking vehicle 22 children and 20 adults killed. along with 8 eldery people. great headlines you have there for any president hoping to be reelected. also mexico's government is still incredibly corrupt at the individual level. you either take the bribe or the cartel kills you. as for the u.s. the last thing we need is another pointless war that will consume more money time and resources. not to mention it will make the mexican population side with the cartels after you finish bombing their houses.

what should be done is to offer a alternative by investing in making mexico an economic powerhouse by setting up shops there. instead we just funnel money to the mexican military and train it and it ends up turning a city into a warzone where there's shootouts with the local gangs every other day.

[theostrichsays]

Can we just surrender t Canada instead, then tell them to deal with it?

[breadisfunny]

OR we could save everyone's time and money in a much more simple way by just legalizing the drugs they kill each other over. Even when you look at the violence within US inner cities, you'll see 90% of it is over gangs fighting for turf to sell drugs. Starting more wars won't solve any problems, you have to eliminate the source.

there's a reason they are illegal. it's because they will literally kill you if you take them. not to mention drugs like pcp and crack cause people to become very hostile and attack anyone and everyone. so no lets not make pcp and crack legal unless you want things to end badly for everyone. not to mention they put an undue strain on the emergency services that are called in to deal with them.

[apepi]

I think America should declare war on America.

[Kaleredar]

OR we could save everyone's time and money in a much more simple way by just legalizing the drugs they kill each other over. Even when you look at the violence within US inner cities, you'll see 90% of it is over gangs fighting for turf to sell drugs. Starting more wars won't solve any problems, you have to eliminate the source.

And then we can legalize the gun running, human trafficking, and sex slavery they also deal in to eliminate further revenue sources.

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I think America should declare war on America.

If you listen to some of the conservatives, they already have.