How often do you use 4pc for resto?

[Manonhigh]

I'm just curious as to how many resto druids actually get to utilize the 4pc without burning 2/3 NS cast from our 2pc on HT. Working on mythic bosses I rarely have time to sequentially cast two HT or if I have the time to do that I am typically using wrath as a filler(I run HoTW always but the extra damage adds up on mythic).

I can understand that in 5-mans or even normal/heroic mode that you are more likely to have the free globals to cast the necessary HTx2, but on mythic I can only have a proc guarantee once every minute that saves me just over 3k mana and resto healing is about the most healing per mana since unlike other classes we don't have mana regen built into the class;however, we have some of the most healing per mana efficient spells.

I think instead of making it two sequential cast of HT it stacks like the SOO tier did and that you have a buff that last 30 seconds and once you get a two stack the mana cost is reduced on the next WG. That way the 4pc doesn't force a healer to play a certain style of healing which currently is the case as well as the 4pc is more on par with the other healing 4pcs in its likelihood of being used.

[AberrantJ]

The fact that Celestalon is defending the bonus on twitter makes me irrationally angry. I really wish he would just acknowledge it's garbage - don't give me that "different playstyles" crap. You used to be able to play a melee hunter, but that doesn't mean they should have made a set bonus around that playstyle.

[Alianthos]

The fact that Celestalon is defending the bonus on twitter makes me irrationally angry. I really wish he would just acknowledge it's garbage - don't give me that "different playstyles" crap. You used to be able to play a melee hunter, but that doesn't mean they should have made a set bonus around that playstyle.

EXACTLY. I mean.. Wow. He's actually trying to defend it. I dont have the 4P yet, and I wont try to have it unless all other raiders have their tokens. I HARDLY use HT at all, only with the 2P. So yeah, the 4p would only be activated every minute, if I use NS every minute that is.

Why would you ever cast HT ? Better cast Wrath. If you find yourself using HT, it probably means that you barely need to heal in the first place...

[Deleted]

Hey guys, ok..... .. ok, nourrish was a design failure..... so, what about, casting 2 HT in a row, now.

[Jayjayhey]

Honestly? I won't be using it.

[Sprucelee]

Will never know. I do not see myself ever picking up anything but 2pc, unless I somehow get it from rolls. And even then, only really paired with NS+HT for what would amount to little to no measurable gain.

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On a side note, I do really like our 2pc, it fits nicely into our play-style. Beyond raw numbers, the triage potential is really nice.

[stheno]

The fact that Celestalon is defending the bonus on twitter makes me irrationally angry. I really wish he would just acknowledge it's garbage - don't give me that "different playstyles" crap. You used to be able to play a melee hunter, but that doesn't mean they should have made a set bonus around that playstyle.

His responses.... I'm still grinding my teeth.
Also... 2 pc makes me happy, 4 pc I'll avoid.

[nectarine]

Complete disregard to our healing style is what the bonus is. First genesis, now this.

[Skyfall]

Yeah its pretty horrible. Really itll only be used accidentally with the 2 pc most likely, I dont think theres any scenario where it will be something you go out of your way to use rotationally.

Doubtful most resto druids will ever end up with a 4pc during progression anyway, since tier pieces will end up going to classes with actual useful set bonuses, which sadly our 4pc is not. The Tier legs are BiS for the stats alone, after that picking up one extra tier piece will be useful for the 2pc, but none of the others really possess good enough stats to be worth grabbing over all the others. Lots of multistrike, and not a ton of haste to be found anywhere unfortunately.

Tier Head: Crit/Haste	Maidens Head: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Shoulders: Mastery/Multistrike	Flamebender Shoulders: Crit/Mastery
Tier Chest: Crit/Mastery	Darmac Chest: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Gloves: Haste/Multistrike	Darmac Gloves: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Legs: Haste/Mastery	Blackhand Legs: Mastery/Multistrike

Really depends how you value crit vs multi I guess for a lot of them, but none stands out as great, probably the gloves are a good bet for your second piece to grab the haste, maybe the helm, but none of the pieces are itemized particularly well other than the tier legs, which sadly don't drop till Furnace anyway, so it may be a while to get them, since i'm not sure its worth dropping 5 ilvls from Margok legs to pick up the heroic tier ones just for the 2pc, which is useful, but not terribly strong by itself.

[Tiberria]

Yeah its pretty horrible. Really itll only be used accidentally with the 2 pc most likely, I dont think theres any scenario where it will be something you go out of your way to use rotationally.

Doubtful most resto druids will ever end up with a 4pc during progression anyway, since tier pieces will end up going to classes with actual useful set bonuses, which sadly our 4pc is not. The Tier legs are BiS for the stats alone, after that picking up one extra tier piece will be useful for the 2pc, but none of the others really possess good enough stats to be worth grabbing over all the others. Lots of multistrike, and not a ton of haste to be found anywhere unfortunately.

Tier Head: Crit/Haste	Maidens Head: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Shoulders: Mastery/Multistrike	Flamebender Shoulders: Crit/Mastery
Tier Chest: Crit/Mastery	Darmac Chest: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Gloves: Haste/Multistrike	Darmac Gloves: Mastery/Multistrike
Tier Legs: Haste/Mastery	Blackhand Legs: Mastery/Multistrike

Really depends how you value crit vs multi I guess for a lot of them, but none stands out as great, probably the gloves are a good bet for your second piece to grab the haste, maybe the helm, but none of the pieces are itemized particularly well other than the tier legs, which sadly don't drop till Furnace anyway, so it may be a while to get them, since i'm not sure its worth dropping 5 ilvls from Margok legs to pick up the heroic tier ones just for the 2pc, which is useful, but not terribly strong by itself.

I think the 2 piece is strong enough to make it definitely worth using ilvl 680 tier legs until you can get the Mythic ones from Black Furnace. It effectively gives you 2 extra mana free casts per minute which works out to close to a ~5% reduction in overall mana expenditure, which is Resto Druids' biggest bottleneck. That doesn't even factor in the HPS benefit of using 2 extra 150% instant cast Regrowths over whatever other filler you'd be using instead (Rejuv, DOC Wrath, etc.). It's well worth a 5 ilvl downgrade on 1 piece.

[Sprucelee]

Not to mention the less "tangible" benefit that large instant cast heal has on saves. It's a great 2pc IMO, definately worth the downgrade from mythic HM gear, even mythic BRF gear.

[dezatz]

Honestly reading these responses make me feel so much better. I thought i would be the only one upset by him defending such a garbage 4pc blows my mind. I guess the blame celestalon website is there for a reason...

[Hypasonic]

Probably one simple change they could do which would make the 4 set even remotely useful, is if they removed the sequential part.

[otterfluff]

I won't be aiming for 4pc. Its such a clunky attempt at making our raid heals better when they were the ones that messed with them in the first place. It's like... They had so much potential with 2pc but then went and stuck their heads in places that their heads aren't supposed to go. THEN they asked us to do they same. It's completely mental.

[Deleted]

I used to have some respect for Celestalon, but after watching him defend what's arguably the worst set bonus probably ever done in wow, specially when you look into paladin's or shama's bonuses, i'm pretty sure he's just as ridiculous as that little kid that leads a pug and then ninjas an item.

Different playstyles? you mean the playstyle of playing like a bloody retard? Yeah it fits that one perfectly.

How ridiculous can this be, having to use to sequential HT's, with a cost of 6.2k Mana, losing 2global cd's, plus 2 cast times, which will do around 5 Seconds minimum, to then pop a WG that costs 3k less mana? Are they even able to read the stupidity ?

Post on twitter, on forums, i don't care, make noise, i usually love the set bonus, they add something, they feel important, like the 2p, it's awesome, it's not powerfull, but it's really fun to use and viable, is it too hard to make more like that?

Wake. The. Fuck. Up. Already. You have 2 healing classes broken as all hell and then to bury the hatchet even deeper you decide to fck us even more on the tier. Ridiculous.

[Teph]

Different playstyles? you mean the playstyle of playing like a bloody retard? Yeah it fits that one perfectly.

This reminds me of their Diablo 3 "play your way" builds. And then they are confused why noone can take them serious.

[Jayjayhey]

I used to have some respect for Celestalon, but after watching him defend what's arguably the worst set bonus probably ever done in wow, specially when you look into paladin's or shama's bonuses, i'm pretty sure he's just as ridiculous as that little kid that leads a pug and then ninjas an item.

Different playstyles? you mean the playstyle of playing like a bloody retard? Yeah it fits that one perfectly.

How ridiculous can this be, having to use to sequential HT's, with a cost of 6.2k Mana, losing 2global cd's, plus 2 cast times, which will do around 5 Seconds minimum, to then pop a WG that costs 3k less mana? Are they even able to read the stupidity ?

Post on twitter, on forums, i don't care, make noise, i usually love the set bonus, they add something, they feel important, like the 2p, it's awesome, it's not powerfull, but it's really fun to use and viable, is it too hard to make more like that?

Wake. The. Fuck. Up. Already. You have 2 healing classes broken as all hell and then to bury the hatchet even deeper you decide to fck us even more on the tier. Ridiculous.

Celestalon probably plays a disc priest or holy pal

[Deleted]

had you followed the mistweaver beta shitstorm you'd already have a solid idea how celestalon is just simply an ignorant idiot ruining the game left and right. then we got into this new healing system of utter failure but maybe at least the healers will be on the same level? Nope... let's further ruin things with making disc and holyp being retarded op. Healing right now is rotten to the core, a failed tier piece design can't even phase me anymore.

[emni]

Celestalon probably plays a disc priest or holy pal

That's pretty hard to believe considering how dreadfully boring disc priests are. Just read the Priest forums, people are desperate for any change that would make the spec actually fun.

Fact is, healing is just in a terrible spot. Much worse than any other tier I remember since I started healing in Karazhan. Shields are ruining the fun for everyone and trivialize boss mechanics, and classes are designed strangely. Druid is actually in a better spot fun-wise.

[Tiberria]

Celestalon probably plays a disc priest or holy pal

Actually, Celestalon mained a Feral Druid (primarily in Midnight Sanctuary) through the end of Cata before rerolling to a Brewmaster Monk (transferring to Temerity in late SoO before quitting progression raiding during the WoD beta). It's blatantly obvious that he has no clue how healing works, however.