Do you think the phrases "illegal immigrant" and "anchor baby" are offensive?

[TrumpIsPresident]

You guys get extremely offended every time it's used, so I'd say so.

Because its spoken condescendingly and derisively every time its used.

Well, this is the first time we've ever agreed.

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No more offensive than any of the other racist / sexist / homophobic dog whistles littered in any one of their speeches.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Those of us who haven't fallen victim to trickery can recognize where today's real racism is coming from.

It will take a few generations but this strangle hold that the ruling class, the actual racists, have over Americans will pass.

Then all will be able to recognize the systematic race based atrocities and who is responsible for them.

There is a designed called the permanent underclass.

Once you learn what it is you will see who is benefiting from it, how they are maintaining it, and how they've convince you to defend it.

[Wells]

I'm pretty sympathetic to the "Citizens, not anchor babies" rhetoric. Even if their parents are illegal, trying to define people by the actions of another seems particularly unamerican to me.

[Hooked]

I find neither label to be offensive in the least bit.

[derpkitteh]

i don't think they are, and if they are i don't really give a shit. just more bullshit from overly sensitive losers.

[Independent voter]

"Anchor baby" is new to me. I've known about Mexican women who sneak into the US side of the border to have their baby so the baby is a US citizen. The Constitution says if you're born here, you're a US citizen but it's always seemed like they're gaming the system.

What we've called illegal immigrants over the years has changed, "wet backs" cause they swam the river illegally entering instead of crossing the bridge legally, "illegal aliens" but "aliens" sounds odd, and now "illegal immigrants".

I guess "aliens" or "illegal aliens" are still the most accurate terms, but now "alien" means extraterrestrial so there's that. And "illegal alien" picked up a bad connotation somehow.

[Omega10]

i don't think they are, and if they are i don't really give a shit. just more bullshit from overly sensitive losers.

The reason why the GOP is starting to care is that these "losers" you are talking about, Hispanics, have a lot of voting clout. The Hispanic vote made a huge difference for Obama vs Romney, and are very likely to make a huge difference in the upcoming election as well. It makes a difference for republicans to get 30% of the Hispanic vote as compared to 15 or 20 - or even 10.

[grexly75]

Gotta love society and Political Correctness, when two valid terms of reference are seen as offensive.. Heck I could think up a couple dozen words that are far more offensive than these quoted in this thread..

[Hooked]

The reason why the GOP is starting to care is that these "losers" you are talking about, Hispanics, have a lot of voting clout. The Hispanic vote made a huge difference for Obama vs Romney, and are very likely to make a huge difference in the upcoming election as well. It makes a difference for republicans to get 30% of the Hispanic vote as compared to 15 or 20 - or even 10.

The republicans will lose more if they pander like the democrats do. You either get the message and want to rise above the gutter, or you don't. The republican party isn't about ethnicity, its about morals, values and honesty. Now you are thinking "they don't have morals if they want to kick out undocumented workers". You would be wrong if you thought that. With all the new robots being funded, threats of raising the minimum wage to astronomical levels and a massive influx of illegal immigrants (mostly children), not to even mention the legal immigration at warp speed, why would they do that?.

[Omega10]

The republicans will lose more if they pander like the democrats do. You either get the message and want to rise above the gutter, or you don't. The republican party isn't about ethnicity, its about morals, values and honesty.

Well the republicans are fighting this out amongst themselves. Some of the candidates are supporting using these terms, others are shying away from them.

The republicans of 2003 were not about honesty at all as they led the country into a war based on a lot of lies told by the Bush administration. I wish the republicans of 2015 really WERE more honest. The republican debate is more about: do we gain more votes by "telling our truth about Hispanics" than we lose due to ... well calling them losers as was done in this thread earlier - repeatedly and by multiple people.

[Hooked]

Well the republicans are fighting this out amongst themselves. Some of the candidates are supporting using these terms, others are shying away from them.

The republicans of 2003 were not about honesty at all as they led the country into a war based on a lot of lies told by the Bush administration. I wish the republicans of 2015 really WERE more honest. The republican debate is more about: do we gain more votes by "telling our truth about Hispanics" than we lose due to ... well calling them losers as was done in this thread earlier - repeatedly and by multiple people.

Republicans made the mistake when assuming we wanted our middle class neighborhoods invaded by illegal aliens. Bush had full support until he passed that quasi amnesty in 2006. That's why McCain and Romney lost, they were pro amnesty.

Sometimes the good guys have to be viewed as the bad guys for the greater good of all.

[Omega10]

Republicans made the mistake when assuming we wanted our middle class neighborhoods invaded by illegal aliens. Bush had full support until he passed that quasi amnesty in 2006. That's why McCain and Romney lost, they were pro amnesty.

Sometimes the good guys have to be viewed as the bad guys for the greater good of all.

It sounds like you will be 100% behind Donald Trump. Presumably if he fails to get the republican nomination and runs as an independent you'll be 100% with him?

[Kaleredar]

The republicans will lose more if they pander like the democrats do. You either get the message and want to rise above the gutter, or you don't. The republican party isn't about ethnicity, its about morals, values and honesty. Now you are thinking "they don't have morals if they want to kick out undocumented workers". You would be wrong if you thought that. With all the new robots being funded, threats of raising the minimum wage to astronomical levels and a massive influx of illegal immigrants (mostly children), not to even mention the legal immigration at warp speed, why would they do that?.

You have sources on any of that?



See here's the problem. Republicans don't just pander... they fear monger. Just now you said you were scared of a massive rise in minimum wage. Why? THere's no economic support, you just don't feel McDonalds employees should be paid 15 dollars an hour. You said you were scared of the "impending" massive influx of illegal aliens. What evidence do you have for this? What economic data can you extrapolate from this? Do you have any relative data comparisons to support these claims?


The easiest way to glean political support from a homogeneous group is to convince them some other group is out for their lives, jobs, and women. Unfortunately for the republicans, they find themselves no longer dealing with a homogenous group as a viable electorate.

[Hooked]

You have sources on any of that?



See here's the problem. Republicans don't just pander... they fear monger. Just now you said you were scared of a massive rise in minimum wage. Why? THere's no economic support, you just don't feel McDonalds employees should be paid 15 dollars an hour. You said you were scared of the "impending" massive influx of illegal aliens. What evidence do you have for this? What economic data can you extrapolate from this? Do you have any relative data comparisons to support these claims?


The easiest way to glean political support from a homogeneous group is to convince them some other group is out for their lives, jobs, and women. Unfortunately for the republicans, they find themselves no longer dealing with a homogenous group as a viable electorate.

Bringing up legitimate concerns is not fear mongering. This is an American issue that should be determined by the American voters.

[Elegiac]

Bringing up legitimate concerns is not fear mongering.

Except they are not 'legitimate' concerns outside of a political sphere. They aren't based in any sort of economic or sociological fact.

[Unionoob]

If those words are offensive. Then we maybe should see word like Criminal as offensive? Should we call them something like "misguided people" ?

[Hooked]

Except they are not 'legitimate' concerns outside of a political sphere. They aren't based in any sort of economic or sociological fact.

Look around the world, look at Europe. They are being flooded, we are being flooded. For some reason Russia and china aren't being flooded. That is so odd I cant even begin to piece that together. Why all of a sudden are millions of refugees and illegals fleeing their countries of birth?.

[Elegiac]

If those words are offensive. Then we maybe should see word like Criminal as offensive? Should we call them something like "misguided people" ?

What crime did an 'anchor baby' commit, exactly?

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Look around the world, look at Europe. They are being flooded, we are being flooded. For some reason Russia and china aren't being flooded. That is so odd I cant even begin to piece that together.

Right. Because the BEST place to flee to from political oppression or economic hardship are places with suspect economies and/or extant political oppression.

And no, the US is not being 'flooded', neither is Europe. There are high immigration rates, yes, but there isn't any sort of economic fact which demonstrates any statistically significant damage is being caused.

[PACOX]

Anchor baby is offensive. I can't see it being used in anything but a condescending tone.

Illegal immigrant isn't offensive the way you use it can make you look ignorant in a bigoty sort of way.

[Kaleredar]

Bringing up legitimate concerns is not fear mongering. This is an American issue that should be determined by the American voters.

I'm still waiting on those statistics.

[Unionoob]

What crime did an 'anchor baby' commit, exactly?

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Right. Because the BEST place to flee to from political oppression or economic hardship are places with suspect economies and/or extant political oppression.

And no, the US is not being 'flooded', neither is Europe. There are high immigration rates, yes, but there isn't any sort of economic fact which demonstrates any statistically significant damage is being caused.

I guess none. But his parents did with moving to country as illegal immigrants. But that's how's system is built in some countries. To change name I guess you would have to change system. To not to grant citizenship to kid and then later to his whole family or just to children and not to family.