Do they have a right to be mad?

[Snakeseye0]

All these people that go off and kill people because they aren't loved, can't get a GF, think they have horrible lives. Do they have a right to do these things? I mean they are wrong, but are we wrong to say they should not be mad for the reasons they are? How do we simply tell someone in a situation like that that things will get better, or convince them to follow a moral high ground?

I mean how do you convince someone they are wrong/will be wrong, when everyone else is wrong to them in their minds? I mean we can't even show them what someone that suppose to function normally looks like, without further triggering them.

[Jonnusthegreat]

If someone isn't happy with their life they should either A) attempt to make it better or B) end their life. You can be made about anything, it doesn't make your actions just.

[Crissi]

I say frustration can be used as a great motivator to turn yourself around. However, that takes discipline, and its often easier to take the anger and blame others. Thats whats dangerous. Don't blame others, blame only yourself and use it to improve and tell the haters "hah, I told you I can be better". Harming others does not make one feel better, and solves nothing.

[A Chozo]

All these people that go off and kill people because they aren't loved, can't get a GF, think they have horrible lives. Do they have a right to do these things? I mean they are wrong, but are we wrong to say they should not be mad for the reasons they are? How do we simply tell someone in a situation like that that things will get better, or convince them to follow a moral high ground?

I mean how do you convince someone they are wrong/will be wrong, when everyone else is wrong to them in their minds?

They can be mad, they just shouldn't act on their madness.
They can, but reeeeeeally shouldn't. It isn't about rights.
...Well, it kinda is, since the mad people usually try to use the resources of the modern civilization, and in doing that, they must follow a set of rules - one of those stabilishes that they don't have the right to go and kill people.

[Snakeseye0]

I say frustration can be used as a great motivator to turn yourself around. However, that takes discipline, and its often easier to take the anger and blame others. Thats whats dangerous. Don't blame others, blame only yourself and use it to improve and tell the haters "hah, I told you I can be better". Harming others does not make one feel better, and solves nothing.

Yes, but what happens when you're in a situation where you can't improve yourself? Say you're a guy and you're really short, you get teased more than other guys about your height. How do you possibly motivate yourself, and to do what?

[Mistame]

The only person responsible for individual happiness is the individual.

[Darsithis]

Do they have a right to do these things?.

Is that even a question? Of course not. That's why they are considered criminal actions.

[Snakeseye0]

They might have a right to be mad, but taking your anger out on others isn't okay, especially if they are completely innocent.

When the world seems like it's against you, what do you care about what's ok and what isn't?

[Exystredofar]

This is a difficult question to answer, because depression is never really black and white like that. People who kill or hurt others because they don't feel loved or are unable to find a significant other are not simply angry or depressed, they have mental disorders. Whether or not those disorders are caused or exacerbated by depression, I can not say. I've suffered from depression for over 11 years now, and I can tell you first hand that "things get better" doesn't help. Often, it makes things worse, because it puts it into your mind that you don't deserve to feel this way and that you're the problem, when in reality, it's a chemical imbalance in your brain causing the entire problem. Telling someone this often discourages them from seeking treatment for their disorder, which then results in it growing over time, sometimes ending in psychosis or sociopathy, depending on how much they depend on their depression or anger in their every day life.

It sounds strange, saying that we depend on anger or depression, but it is the truth. Just as some people depend on their loved ones or friends, our comfort zone lies in our suffering. It's all we know anymore, as we no longer remember what it's like to be truly fulfilled and happy. Some people, such as myself, turn to alcohol and drugs to create a false euphoria, because we know we are incapable of the real thing and we will never be truly happy. I suppose you could say that I "follow a moral high ground" in that I don't harm anyone with my own self-destructive behavior. I do my drugs, I drink until I pass out, and I do this because I prefer it over feeling nothing.

The truth is, you can't simply convince someone that their life is worth living, or that things will get better. It takes lots of time and treatment before they get to that point. All you can do is support them through that process.

[Snakeseye0]

The only person responsible for individual happiness is the individual.

That's not even close to being true.

[Crissi]

Yes, but what happens when you're in a situation where you can't improve yourself? Say you're a guy and you're really short, you get teased more than other guys about your height. How do you possibly motivate yourself, and to do what?

Channel Tom Cruise? Go after really short women? Use it as a motivator to get good in areas you can actually improve in (academics, finances, whatever)

[Gref]

If only everybody could get laid from time to time. The world would be better place.

[Crissi]

That's not even close to being true.

Depends. I think those that are close (friends, fmaily) to the individual should also help with happiness. However, its not a strangers responsibility to make you happy unless its part of their job.

[Justank]

All of the videos and manifestos I've seen from those people prove them to be incredibly narcissistic dirt bags, so no. If they cared about people at all they wouldn't be in that situation. There was a time when I was a teen that I didn't understand why girls didn't want to be more than friends (thankfully babbling about the friend zone wasn't a thing yet so I didn't act like a complete shit lord) but instead of getting mad and freaking out, I lost 60 pounds, got some social skills, and actually took a genuine interest in the people around me. Works wonders.

[Snakeseye0]

Is that even a question? Of course not. That's why they are considered criminal actions.

I'm not asking if it's a criminal action or not. I'm asking you to put yourself in these peoples shoes, experience what they experience, and come to a conclusion if them going off could have been avoided in a mental sense. Was it unavoidable due to how society operates against those that don't fit in? Should we just start accepting these events (like the recent shooting and others) as natural occurrences?

[Sam the Wiser]

Yes, they have the right to be mad.

[Darsithis]

I'm not asking if it's a criminal action or not. I'm asking you to put yourself in these peoples shoes, experience what they experience, and come to a conclusion if them going off could have been avoiding in a mental sense. Was is unavoidable due to how society operates against those that don't fit in? Should we just start accepting these events (like the recent shooting and others) as natural occurrences?

I don't need to put myself in their shoes. People all over the world deal with heartbreak, poverty, loss, the inability to fit in, bullying, and the like. They don't just start murdering people.

Murdering people comes from an anti-social personality, one that sees little to no consequences to their actions. It is not a "natural" thing brought on by stress.

[Rustedsaint]

No one has the right to Kill another human who hasn't harmed someone else.
Everyone has a heartbreaking story, and yet you don't see this type of shit happening every min.

[spinner981]

All these people that go off and kill people because they aren't loved, can't get a GF, think they have horrible lives. Do they have a right to do these things? I mean they are wrong, but are we wrong to say they should not be mad for the reasons they are? How do we simply tell someone in a situation like that that things will get better, or convince them to follow a moral high ground?

I mean how do you convince someone they are wrong/will be wrong, when everyone else is wrong to them in their minds? I mean we can't even show them what someone that suppose to function normally looks like, without further triggering them.

Convincing somebody that they are wrong with the reasoning of "Because it's my opinion that you are wrong." isn't very effective.

[Halyon]

They have the right to be mad, but they don't have the rights to take actions that hinder or entirely remove (ex. killing someone) someone elses rights. They don't have the rights to not have consequences either.