[BETA] Affliction Warlock Discussion

[Deleted]

Some needed buffs for affliction. It felt very mediocre damage wise. Glad to see Soul Effigy reverted because it was dull work for 25% lol

Tuning pass has rightly seen some of the ridiculous stuff reigned back for classes like demonhunters and buffs for poor old affliction

Hopefully damage tuning will take into account the fact that two of affliction's Gold artefact traits are awful for raids, because they rely on things dying. I can think of lots of fights where that happens very infrequently, if at all.

[dholland662]

Some needed buffs for affliction. It felt very mediocre damage wise. Glad to see Soul Effigy reverted because it was dull work for 25% lol

Tuning pass has rightly seen some of the ridiculous stuff reigned back for classes like demonhunters and buffs for poor old affliction

Hopefully damage tuning will take into account the fact that two of affliction's Gold artefact traits are awful for raids, because they rely on things dying. I can think of lots of fights where that happens very infrequently, if at all.

Ya'll are posting this on feedback right?

[PickleballAce]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/4...d-21655-5-may/

In next build:
1) The initial mana cost of Drain Life and Drain Soul is removed, which should be a noticeable cost reduction overall.

2) Agony shard generation somewhat reworked: it will be higher on 1 target, and lower on 3 or more targets. In addition, it will be more consistent in all cases, in terms of time between shards.

[Fearsom1992]

LOL we have been posting about the 2/3 bad traits for at least 4months its getting pretty stupid at this point . I can tell you now there is only a few fights where soul flame is good, first boss of nighthold,xavius, and elisana (but destro just too good on that fight) that is 3 fights out of all the bosses.... am I the only one that feels this is bad design for 2 gold perks to work on not even 1/3 of the fights.

[dholland662]

LOL we have been posting about the 2/3 bad traits for at least 4months its getting pretty stupid at this point . I can tell you now there is only a few fights where soul flame is good, first boss of nighthold,xavius, and elisana (but destro just too good on that fight) that is 3 fights out of all the bosses.... am I the only one that feels this is bad design for 2 gold perks to work on not even 1/3 of the fights.

Wrath of Consumption is the worst imo.

[Gaidax]

Why should you care if in the end you will be up on par with everyone? I'd even go ahead and say that's good that gold traits are not so good that you will feel inadequate without them.

[Deleted]

Any additional feedback that needs to go to the Aff thread? I'm thinking it's now or never.

[Terryn]

I mean if people don't start posting more feedback then shits going to be broken on release. Look what happened to BM monk. Need more people to swarm the thread posting exactly what's wrong with the class.

[Amnesia101]

I mean if people don't start posting more feedback then shits going to be broken on release. Look what happened to BM monk. Need more people to swarm the thread posting exactly what's wrong with the class.

It really just boils down to the last two talents in the Artifact tree that everyone has a problem with that needs addressing. The rest is just a numbers game to bring it up to par. The spec is pretty well fleshed out at the moment, especially with the upcoming change to ST shard regen. There's enough give in the spec for it to be reactive to certain situations.

[Xandy]

I mean if people don't start posting more feedback then shits going to be broken on release. Look what happened to BM monk. Need more people to swarm the thread posting exactly what's wrong with the class.

There is quite a lot of feedback, I think people are getting sick and tired of repeating themselves over the same issues

[Fearsom1992]

^^ pretty much I got sick and tired of posting so much feedback in the beginning for affi and destro, I mean affi is great in raid testing, I think ppl have just been playing affi wrong you don't UA stack unless you need the burst or if you get a wrath of consumption proc after a 5 stack UA. I hate that destro Dimensional rift doesn't work with Havoc, but other than those two compliments i like destro and affi ^-^

[Darkheart]

Why should you care if in the end you will be up on par with everyone? I'd even go ahead and say that's good that gold traits are not so good that you will feel inadequate without them.

I am hoping that a change or redesign of the currently useless gold traits will make affliction better at burst.

[dholland662]

There is quite a lot of feedback, I think people are getting sick and tired of repeating themselves over the same issues

Still gotta do it. Push that thread so high up their ass!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dotpocket]

I think it would be fun if Soulflame was replaced with the original Soul Fire. Now that affliction is literally reaping souls, maybe casting it would consume a portion of the stacks that Reap Soul gives you to deal moderate single target burst. Instead of just dot, dot, reap, dot, dot, etc., having a single target nuke available but at the cost of Reap Soul stacks not only sounds good thematically, but just feels right in a spec about collecting souls and unleashing them with your staff. If someone with alpha forum access likes my idea, feel free to post it!

[Canitank]

Speaking of Artifact weapons anybody else on the Alpha able to tell me when/how we get a secondary specialisation artifact? My Affliction lock is now up to 107 and I haven't seen/found a quest or anything to get another spec. Any tips?

[Lucrece]

People just need to ask the obvious question of devs: Why play affliction over a shadow priest?

Affliction lock is a shadow priest with no burst, less raid soak mechanisms such as dispersion and far more ramp up.

It also has no flavor relative to a shadow priest. You tab target dots with little in the way of visual updates and animations, and you really got nothing in the way of interesting mechanics.

I don't know what they did with destro and affliction but they pruned them so badly, they're such bland specs relative to demonology, and demonology is crippled with mobility issues.

[Baconeggcheese]

People just need to ask the obvious question of devs: Why play affliction over a shadow priest?

Affliction has aoe, shadow effectively doesn't.

Affliction doesn't get punished for movement as hard as shadow.

Shadow doesn't have 2 other specs to lean on when its weak at a particular thing.

That's what I can say before seeing what final tuning is gonna look like.

[Fearsom1992]

Speaking of Artifact weapons anybody else on the Alpha able to tell me when/how we get a secondary specialisation artifact? My Affliction lock is now up to 107 and I haven't seen/found a quest or anything to get another spec. Any tips?

I don't think its in yet... hyprids got theirs at 102 :P

I think it would be fun if Soulflame was replaced with the original Soul Fire. Now that affliction is literally reaping souls, maybe casting it would consume a portion of the stacks that Reap Soul gives you to deal moderate single target burst. Instead of just dot, dot, reap, dot, dot, etc., having a single target nuke available but at the cost of Reap Soul stacks not only sounds good thematically, but just feels right in a spec about collecting souls and unleashing them with your staff. If someone with alpha forum access likes my idea, feel free to post it!

Someone got you

[Deleted]

People just need to ask the obvious question of devs: Why play affliction over a shadow priest?

Assuming proper tuning affliction doesnt suffer from targets injection in a encounter, in fact it just get stronger and stronger on main target when there are possibilities to dots other things up and increasing your shard generation, so from a pure class design perspective id say affliction is one of the best designed specs for raiding with very few weaknesses; yes you have to trade some burst for that but im totally fine as there will be other classes able to fill that niche well.

Affliction is not limited by your talent choices, unlike Demonology and in a lesser extent Destro

[ThePhantombox]

Affliction lock is a shadow priest with no burst

Sure I'll give you that.

less raid soak mechanisms such as dispersion

No.

far more ramp up.

Not really.

It also has no flavor relative to a shadow priest. You tab target dots with little in the way of visual updates and animations, and you really got nothing in the way of interesting mechanics.

That's almost all subjective.