Legion - Assassination Discussion

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looking at it it seems to be a blanket nerf to a lot of T19 dps sets, probably to reduce the chance ppl will go for 2+4

[Eazy]

looking at it it seems to be a blanket nerf to a lot of T19 dps sets, probably to reduce the chance ppl will go for 2+4

That's probably the reason.

yea sin is too powerful with T20, lets nerf T19 wat.

lol'd

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The Blue post states their reasoning; they are nerfing it because T20 would not seem as big of an upgrade. And instead of making T20 OP they just nerf T19 instead, which saves us a lot of trouble balancing T19 2P + T20 4P with our legendaries. That probably also means TF T19 2P isn't worth it compared to ToS offslots anymore - something I highly appreciate.

[shaunika123]

The Blue post states their reasoning; they are nerfing it because T20 would not seem as big of an upgrade. And instead of making T20 OP they just nerf T19 instead, which saves us a lot of trouble balancing T19 2P + T20 4P with our legendaries. That probably also means TF T19 2P isn't worth it compared to ToS offslots anymore - something I highly appreciate.

why didnt they nerf sub or outlaw tho?

sub's 2pc is insanely good, especially with the new reworked nightblade

not that i mind, it's just puzzling

[Deleted]

maybe because theyr to lazy/greedy for money (not enough employees for patch-class-changes): they "didnt" got the time (LOL) to change AP into something useful.
Because of AP will be still in the game when 7.2.5 hits live, the t19 bonuses are too strong.

[Symphonic]

Item - Rogue T19 Assassination 2P Bonus Mutilate also causes the target to Bleed for 30% 20% additional damage over 8 sec.
Item - Rogue T19 Assassination 4P Bonus Envenom deals 10% 7% additional damage per Bleed you have on the target.

sad

[Master Guns]

It's not sad at all. It's very common to nerf tier sets as new ones come out so we aren't farming nh for tf/wf. It makes t20 more desirable.

[AceofH]

It's not sad at all. It's very common to nerf tier sets as new ones come out so we aren't farming nh for tf/wf. It makes t20 more desirable.

you should make t20 desireable by giving it actual good set bonuses and decent stats on them.

not by nerfing what came before it.

thats the point of progression.

[Master Guns]

Not according to the people making the game you pay to play /shrug

[shaunika123]

you should make t20 desireable by giving it actual good set bonuses and decent stats on them.

not by nerfing what came before it.

thats the point of progression.

problem is, that they didnt want that steep a power creep i guess

the assa t19 setbonuses are actually insanely strong they add up to like 11-12% damage done (even more with the shoulders)
if they made t20 even better
imagine how good t21 would have to be
we'd end up overscaling way too hard, which we already are doing

and by overscaling i dont mean against other classes, but against the game in general.

plus it kinda limits design space if setbonuses give such enormous flat damage increases, they cant give us more "fun" or "interactive" setbonuses, like the one that drastically reduces the CD of garrote, without people crying how it doesnt give enough damage on target dummies.

i really like the t20 setbonuses, they're specifically something that seems like it's designed for assa rogues and multi dotting. but they'd have been overshadowed by the t19 bonuses cos they give such ridiculous raw damage.

even now i may consider using the t19 2pc cos it's stil gonna be like 3,5% overall damage
i'll almost definitely use them till i get my mythic pieces that's for sure

i just dont get how the sub 2pc escaped the nerfs since it's equally strong to the assa 2pc, and to top it off it's also, a huge quality of life buff for the class.

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problem is, that they didnt want that steep a power creep i guess

the assa t19 setbonuses are actually insanely strong they add up to like 11-12% damage done (even more with the shoulders)
if they made t20 even better
imagine how good t21 would have to be
we'd end up overscaling way too hard, which we already are doing

and by overscaling i dont mean against other classes, but against the game in general.

plus it kinda limits design space if setbonuses give such enormous flat damage increases, they cant give us more "fun" or "interactive" setbonuses, like the one that drastically reduces the CD of garrote, without people crying how it doesnt give enough damage on target dummies.

i really like the t20 setbonuses, they're specifically something that seems like it's designed for assa rogues and multi dotting. but they'd have been overshadowed by the t19 bonuses cos they give such ridiculous raw damage.

even now i may consider using the t19 2pc cos it's stil gonna be like 3,5% overall damage
i'll almost definitely use them till i get my mythic pieces that's for sure

i just dont get how the sub 2pc escaped the nerfs since it's equally strong to the assa 2pc, and to top it off it's also, a huge quality of life buff for the class.

i am sure sub 2pc will get nerfed pretty soon. Otherwise it wouldnt make any sense to me at all.

[Won7on]

Unfortunately, I agree that nerfing T19 is probably for the best. Buffing T20 accomplishes the same goal but introduces even more power creep. Wanting things to be more and bigger each tier is how we end up needing a stat squish every expansion.

[Deleted]

Good Morning Guys! The "T19 nerf before T20" was already announced in 2k16. Only the details were missing. The values are still to high. With these changes the set bonuses are still very strong if you farm high ilvl procced T19 set pieces (940+).

But overall it seems that assassination is not the spec to go in ToS, unfortunately.

[shaunika123]

Good Morning Guys! The "T19 nerf before T20" was already announced in 2k16. Only the details were missing. The values are still to high. With these changes the set bonuses are still very strong if you farm high ilvl procced T19 set pieces (940+).

But overall it seems that assassination is not the spec to go in ToS, unfortunately.

t19 wont be able to go above 925 afaik?

but since we know literally nothing about assasination it's way too early to claim that isnt it?


we probably wont know which is the go to spec till a couple days before release (if that)

just remember sub and the NH setbonus

[Xerroth]

But overall it seems that assassination is not the spec to go in ToS, unfortunately.

Numbers tuning hasn't been done yet afaik so there's still a chance for Sin to be the go to. But out of curiosity what would you say is the go to spec for ToS ATM? Sub?

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t19 wont be able to go above 925 afaik?

The upcoming tf cap works for all items. This is the reason for the set bonus nerf. They dont want players feeling forced to farm high procced t19 pieces. The new tf cap should be around 955.

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Numbers tuning hasn't been done yet afaik so there's still a chance for Sin to be the go to. But out of curiosity what would you say is the go to spec for ToS ATM? Sub?

I guess you are right. The information about the assa changes is still pending.

[shaunika123]

Numbers tuning hasn't been done yet afaik so there's still a chance for Sin to be the go to. But out of curiosity what would you say is the go to spec for ToS ATM? Sub?

if i had to guess i'd say outlaw looks the best atm based on the setbonus/numbers/new design

but it's waaay too early to say anything

sub really feels like it's gonna be a swing and a miss

[Deleted]

As far as i know, T19 TF cap is at 925. If it was 955, they will have to give it another nerf, otherwise people would still be farming T19 since 2PC is still strong. If you get 2 If you get two pieces of T19 with high item lvl, you obviously dont have to wear ToS offset items, which wouldnt be appealing at all. Thats why ist more logical they Keep the cap for T19 at 925 to make ToS items just more attractive.

[elfporn]

As far as i know, T19 TF cap is at 925. If it was 955, they will have to give it another nerf, otherwise people would still be farming T19 since 2PC is still strong. If you get 2 If you get two pieces of T19 with high item lvl, you obviously dont have to wear ToS offset items, which wouldnt be appealing at all. Thats why ist more logical they Keep the cap for T19 at 925 to make ToS items just more attractive.

Right now any item can proc up to 925. And when ToS comes out, that max TF cap will increase for all items, set pieces or not. Base ilvl will not increase, but the TF cap will.

[Elyzibeth]

Right now any item can proc up to 925. And when ToS comes out, that max TF cap will increase for all items, set pieces or not. Base ilvl will not increase, but the TF cap will.

So right now BTI can TF up to 925?