Proof of the Gun show loophole

[Deathcries]

This is what President Barack Obama was talking about how you can just go to a Gunshow and buy a gun without a background check. You can also buy fully automatic nukes as well. Video has proof.

[schwarzkopf]

I don't think either side is denying this occurs. The two sides only really differ on should it occur, and there is a whole thread on that already

Also, even as someone who is pro gun control - I don't think one video doesn't set a pattern, it could be a shop breaking the law for all we know.

I'd prefer more than anecdotal evidence to support my position thanks OP.

[Deathcries]

I don't think either side is denying this occurs. The two sides only really differ on should it occur, and there is a whole thread on that already

Also, even as someone who is pro gun control - I don't think one video doesn't set a pattern, it could be a shop breaking the law for all we know.

I'd prefer more than anecdotal evidence to support my position thanks OP.

Not a problem. Didn't see the thread. Just trying to expose the gun show loophole so people will understand it's real. Thanks for watching the video!

[Germs]

I don't think either side is denying this occurs. The two sides only really differ on should it occur, and there is a whole thread on that already

Also, even as someone who is pro gun control - I don't think one video doesn't set a pattern, it could be a shop breaking the law for all we know.

I'd prefer more than anecdotal evidence to support my position thanks OP.

That moment when someone doesn't even watch the video and has a comment.

[Deathcries]

That moment when someone doesn't even watch the video and has a comment.

He's informed. Both sides agree that this happens. Proof is in the video. Guns left and right. Gun show loophole and fully autos. Murica! President Obama said so. That's also in the video.

[schwarzkopf]

That moment when someone doesn't even watch the video and has a comment.

Damn, I forgot to switch of 'doing nothing loop' I have to fool the Germs Inc Monitoring system in my room.

[Orbitus]

He's informed. Both sides agree that this happens. Proof is in the video. Guns left and right. Gun show loophole and fully autos. Murica! President Obama said so. That's also in the video.

No, he is doing this in one of the 17 states that require it. But there are 33 other states that do not require it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Also, linking Stephen Crowder, that is about the worst source you could have ever used. He just happens to be in one of the states that either has the law that you can't buy from a personal dealer at a gunshow without a NICS check or he was buying from a licensed arms dealer. Either way, he didn't debunk anything. He just made his followers stupider for watching it.

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So the president's crocodile tears and sudden determination were all show?

Gosh

[Orbitus]

So the president's crocodile tears and sudden determination were all show?

Gosh

As I have linked, not even remotely true. I destroyed Deathcries' statements from some douchebag that obviously didn't do any research before he posted this fucking retarded video.

[schwarzkopf]

So the president's crocodile tears and sudden determination were all show?

We don't know - the video is anecdotal at worse, and incomplete at best.

1. Pro-Gun control never said fully automatic guns were available.
2. Pro-Gun control never said EVERY vendor at a gun show let you buy without checks - the issue is private vendors and consistency of checks.
3. Pro-Gun control never said every gun show was a problem, matter of fact the inconstancy was a big issue.
4. By Pro-Gun control - I'm talking main stream folk wanting tighter gun regulations, not nutters thinking they should be banned.

Main issue - the video is meaningless, as most of these 'expose' style videos are. One could just as easily make one showing how every gun show allows every weapon to be bought.

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no one has ever denied it exists

[Roostercogburn]

I love this.

And yes. We already know liberals don't know dick about guns or how to get one. Fully auto guns are illegal as fuck yet thy claim any black rifle is fully auto.

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So the president's crocodile tears and sudden determination were all show?

Gosh

They are as real as Hillary promising to push forward equal pay legislation so women can't get paid 70 cents on the dollar anymore

Cause that's totally legal ... Wait what?

[Cosmic Janitor]

no one has ever denied it exists

If you watch the first 20 seconds of the video you would see that the video claims it doesn't exist.

Btw, wikipedia has us covered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_la...tates_by_state
A nice list of what you need in each state.

[Roostercogburn]

We don't know - the video is anecdotal at worse, and incomplete at best.

1. Pro-Gun control never said fully automatic guns were available.
2. Pro-Gun control never said EVERY vendor at a gun show let you buy without checks - the issue is private vendors and consistency of checks.
3. Pro-Gun control never said every gun show was a problem, matter of fact the inconstancy was a big issue.
4. By Pro-Gun control - I'm talking main stream folk wanting tighter gun regulations, not nutters thinking they should be banned.

Main issue - the video is meaningless, as most of these 'expose' style videos are. One could just as easily make one showing how every gun show allows every weapon to be bought.

Video has a link of Hillary Bernie and a few news reporters talking about fully automatic guns being sold...

If those are your crazies, then I don't wanna see the basement dewellin extremists opinions.

[caervek]

This is what President Barack Obama was talking about how you can just go to a Gunshow and buy a gun without a background check. You can also buy fully automatic nukes as well. Video has proof.

I'm pretty sure this was proven back when some Jihadis bought assault rifles from Century Arms and shot up Paris lol.

[OrcsRLame]

No, he is doing this in one of the 17 states that require it. But there are 33 other states that do not require it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Also, linking Stephen Crowder, that is about the worst source you could have ever used. He just happens to be in one of the states that either has the law that you can't buy from a personal dealer at a gunshow without a NICS check or he was buying from a licensed arms dealer. Either way, he didn't debunk anything. He just made his followers stupider for watching it.

He did all that in Indiana, which is not one of those 17 states you linked, and was the state that Obama specifically mentioned as being one of the problem states for the gun show loophole. You'd know this if you watched the video.

I'm pro gun control, but I don't think you really refuted Stephen Crowder at all. His video evidence of dealers at gun shows in Indiana refusing to sell him guns is a much more compelling argument than your ad hominem or your wikipedia link.

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I'm pretty sure this was proven back when some Jihadis bought assault rifles from Century Arms and shot up Paris lol.

What does that have to do with gun shows in America?

[caervek]

What does that have to do with gun shows in America?

That's how at least one of the weapons used was acquired.

[TZucchini]

People that actually understand this issue know that there's no Federal law prohibiting a private individual from renting a booth at a gun show and selling firearms without a background check. Whether or not you want to call that a "loophole" is debatable. It's simply how the law is written, and the vast majority of Americans believe it should change.

[lockedout]

People that actually understand this issue know that there's no Federal law prohibiting a private individual from renting a booth at a gun show and selling firearms without a background check.

Actually there is if you're making a business out of it, whether that law is enforced is another issue.

[Scathbais]

We don't know - the video is anecdotal at worse, and incomplete at best.

4. By Pro-Gun control - I'm talking main stream folk wanting tighter gun regulations, not nutters thinking they should be banned.

Main issue - the video is meaningless, as most of these 'expose' style videos are. One could just as easily make one showing how every gun show allows every weapon to be bought.

I think Obama first floated the idea that "main street folks" want more gun control. I don't believe there is any evidence of this actually being the case. Any evidence?