How about an official "Does OW have cheaters?" thread.

[TITAN308]

Stumbled across this over at the official forums. No its not the usual Widowmaker clips making the rounds.

In this case its McCree and in a major tournament supposedly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/c...elock_hacking/

So I figured a nice centralized thread to discuss such matters and share videos would be nice. That way we can all argue here instead of other threads.

Edit: Here is the Widowmaker video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRo0Csl8P2Y

Apparently both of these players are on the pro team Cloud9.

Here are some gifs from that same thread. Some of the slow motion ones, the tracking is insane.

https://gfycat.com/ScratchyPaltryKillerwhale
https://gfycat.com/AngryVillainousHammerkop
https://gfycat.com/AmusedPaleJanenschia
https://gfycat.com/ConfusedFormalBushbaby
https://gfycat.com/DeliciousMaleArrowana
https://gfycat.com/RegalEcstaticBilby
https://gfycat.com/YellowCarefreeDalmatian
https://gfycat.com/IllegalAngryAfricanfisheagle
https://gfycat.com/DistantQuarterlyFairyfly <--- lol check out this one

[Coldkil]

As a non good player - i need more explanations. I'm not used to watch competitive fps gameplay and i playd last original UT and Q3 arena after.

Especially the last one, is it me or near the end the camera just catched a glimpse of D.Va and turned back following her and killing her? Am i seeing things?

[DeadmanWalking]

Blizzard is pretty good about catching cheaters, so if getting your account deleted is that important to you....

[Endus]

I'm pretty sure the slo-mo on those confirms it isn't a hack, just a player with really good aim. Hacks tend to robotically lock onto particular points, and EVERY shot hits that point. In those slo-mos, there's no "snapping" to any target like you see in most aimbots, and their fire tends to wander across the target somewhat.

There's nothing suspicious there at all, from what I can see.

[Captain Douchebag]

I'm pretty sure the slo-mo on those confirms it isn't a hack, just a player with really good aim. Hacks tend to robotically lock onto particular points, and EVERY shot hits that point. In those slo-mos, there's no "snapping" to any target like you see in most aimbots, and their fire tends to wander across the target somewhat.

There's nothing suspicious there at all, from what I can see.

There seems to be an awful lot of snapping going on in the widowmaker video to me, maybe in the McCree one aswell.

Not sure about the Tracer one though.

[mrgreenthump]

Blizzard is pretty good about catching cheaters, so if getting your account deleted is that important to you....

D3 wants to have a word with you ;D

[Endus]

There seems to be an awful lot of snapping going on in the widowmaker video to me, maybe in the McCree one aswell.

Not sure about the Tracer one though.

The Widowmaker one, maybe, but it's so short and the quality is so poor it's pretty difficult to make any real assertion either way.

It's the Tracer ones that seem pretty clearly not aimbots, to me. Like, they were arguing that he was "locked" to Zarya but trying to shoot Winston in one, and kept "snapping" back to Zarya, but if you look at the super slo-mo GIF, it's pretty clear his fire's drifting across both, not "snapping" to either;

https://gfycat.com/AmusedPaleJanenschia

[Captain Douchebag]

The Widowmaker one, maybe, but it's so short and the quality is so poor it's pretty difficult to make any real assertion either way.

It's the Tracer ones that seem pretty clearly not aimbots, to me. Like, they were arguing that he was "locked" to Zarya but trying to shoot Winston in one, and kept "snapping" back to Zarya, but if you look at the super slo-mo GIF, it's pretty clear his fire's drifting across both, not "snapping" to either;

https://gfycat.com/AmusedPaleJanenschia

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you on the Tracer clips.

And yes, the Widowmaker video is pretty short and could be in better quality. But you have to agree the way the cross-hair jumps around after Mercy uses her ultimate, is kinda' weird.

I'm slightly on the edge about the McCree one though. He does somewhat seem to snap to Reinhardt behind the wall after killing the other McCree. And He stays on him pretty much perfectly while Reinhardt charges. But then again, he could see him through the wall, so it could simply be good aim.

[Sliske]

Its easy to assume there is an aimbot on the enemy team, however you are just underestimating the power muscle memory has.

I used to play a game called GunZ: the Duel. To make a long story short, we had to constantly perform a 5 action rotation every second (if you wanted to stay alive, if you wanted to do max damage and be the biggest threat, it was a 20+ action rotation every second) while aiming and dodging bullets. New players couldn't even touch good players, let alone kill them. To a new player, being hit by a revolver 5 times across a map while running irratically looked like an aimbot, but that is just how good players became. It was a Korean / Japanese styled game, and as with most of these games, players play them religiously, myself included. I put thousands of hours into this game and wasn't even close to being as good as I could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkEj1JBFPI

compared to Overwatch, the APM and aim requirements in this game are like comparing a snail to usain bolt. So we already know that some of these players have much more experience than you. Then, add in the fact that some of those gifs are from eSports games. As a new player to PC FPSs, some of the things these players do with aiming baffles my mind, however being a very high MMR player in HoTS and WoW, I can easily appreciate how a new player to those games would look at me and be easily baffled too.

Many of these players have been playing PC FPS games for over 10 years. Imagine playing PC FPS games religiously for 10+ years, and someone being surprised that you can follow someone who is jumping, or twitch target? I was doing this on console MW2 after around 6 months. With another 10 years added onto that, I think the improvements would be insane.

Now, with that said, I have no doubts there are hacks in this game, and I have no doubts that there will be pro players caught using them. It happens in every game. There is some moron who brings a map or aim hack or auto hotkey to a tournament. Its just standard now, however it is rare, very rare. So being overzealous with this kind of thing is not very bright.

I mean for example, the widowmaker video is fairly decent, but no one is even shooting at her, she has clear ease to aim and click. Compare this to recent tournaments ,where we have widowmakers grappling across the map, scoping mid air and head shotting 2 people before they land. Its skill, not hacks, in 99.9% of cases.

[Baconeggcheese]

D3 wants to have a word with you ;D

Gabby would like to have a word with you

[Deleted]

the tracer ones look legit, the widowmaker looks doggy as fuck. The way the cursor snaps back even though its movign the opposite direction, thats a key feature of aimbotting. Its hard to call off a gif that short, but that one looks like it should be investigated.

[Sliske]

Yeah, that's what makes me skeptical about hackusations most of the time. We generally see one clip or a gif of something crazy happening and everyone on Reddit dogpiles onto it.

But shit, I could make a gif out of crazy shit that I get lucky and pull off in games too, and I'm not even good. Had a PotG once as Widowmaker where my crosshair was bouncing from enemy head to enemy head like a pinball, and that sure as hell isn't normal for me, but I got lucky that time and killed everyone in front of me.

If you made a gif of JUST that, Reddit would likely call me a hacker, too. So eh. I'm always very reserved about jumping on the hackusation bandwagon.

Indeed, i've had PoTG as hanzo where i've fired 4-5 arrows and got 4-5 headshots. Yet the entire duration of that game was me firing 6 arrows to land 1 body shot on a tank.

[Endus]

Yeah, that's what makes me skeptical about hackusations most of the time. We generally see one clip or a gif of something crazy happening and everyone on Reddit dogpiles onto it.

But shit, I could make a gif out of crazy shit that I get lucky and pull off in games too, and I'm not even good. Had a PotG once as Widowmaker where my crosshair was bouncing from enemy head to enemy head like a pinball, and that sure as hell isn't normal for me, but I got lucky that time and killed everyone in front of me.

If you made a gif of JUST that, Reddit would likely call me a hacker, too. So eh. I'm always very reserved about jumping on the hackusation bandwagon.

Yeah, I had a POTG as Widowaker where I popped the visor JUST before their entire team rushed a narrow entrance I had a line on (complete fluke; everything was quiet and I'd just reached my perch and I was firing it so my team could get a bead on their advance). Proceeded to headshot 4 of their players, including their Reinhardt when he spun around for a second looking for where the fire was coming from (I'd shot two guys after they advanced through his shield, first).

I'm not remotely good enough that you could argue I'm aimbotting, but if all you had to work from was that brief window, maybe it would've looked suspicious, rather than what it was; lucky?

[Aggrophobic]

There are a lot of hacks for Overwatch already. If the ones that the OP showed are actually people hacking, I have no idea but it's not uncommon to find hackers in the game and with Blizzard being notorious for not really caring about cheaters... Yeah, it's going to be a big problem in this game.

[EyelessCrow]

I've only seen one person I was skeptical about and that was a Widowmaker. Kept our entire team in spawn. I don't think she ever missed a headshot. We just couldn't get out. You would watch the kill feed of her shooting you and her crosshair would just instalock onto other players from 3 locations and never miss.

[Dug]

I've encountered one 76 I'm almost certain was aimbotting (no not his ult lol). Dude had like 60 something eliminations, was on fire from the very start and all his killcams had that perfect aiming with the snapping action you see. I called him out on it once and I think he turned it off for all of 2 minutes before he promptly turned it on again to secure the win for his team.

Of course I was just called a baddie who needed to "git gud" and perhaps so, but those killcams were highly suspect. Wish I had proof but oh well. I tried to send a report but it doesn't seem Blizzard has an option ingame for cheaters just harassment/afk or something.

[Jofe]

I would say that it's hard to tell. As many have said, these people have very good aim and besides the last gif where it looks like he knows tracer is coming and is ready to lock onto her it doesn't seem like there's cheating going on.

[loktark]

I would say that it's hard to tell. As many have said, these people have very good aim and besides the last gif where it looks like he knows tracer is coming and is ready to lock onto her it doesn't seem like there's cheating going on.

In the last gif the enemy tracer begins firing before she rounds the corner which allows the tracer we are watching to snap to her position before she rounds the corner.

[Deleted]

You are asking if an FPS has cheaters? Of course there are cheaters. It's extremely difficult to protect against things like aimbots, because the game HAS to report the co-ordinates of other players to your PC, before you can even see them, all the aimbot has to do is read these values, and send new values to the client. Blizzard just needs to keep on top of it.

[Erolian]

These look like pretty standard plays from good players to me. Not that it matters but I've been playing FPS games for about 20 years at this point. Typically aim bots snap so hard and fast to targets that its immediately obvious. If it were like the slight aim assist hacks from pro CS players before being caught I could see a bit more of an argument but that's almost impossible to tell without Blizzard checking it out directly.