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    Protecting our second amendment rights will make america great again

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    The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

    The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

    It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

    Enforce The Laws On The Books

    We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

    Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

    Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

    Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

    Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

    Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

    All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

    And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

    We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

    Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

    GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

    BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

    NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

    MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
    we must do everything we to protect our freedoms. Yes freedom comes with repercussions and risk but it's totally worth it over a false sense of security that is the government to protect us instead and many us.

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    Oh, look Donald Trump still has a website, and that's still on there......

    Because ANY thing Trump says has to be the truth right?

    In other news the republican "Free The Delegates" movement is picking up steam and is going to setup camp in the city of the convention next week. Should be interesting to see if they can stop the bloated meglomaniac from even getting the nomination.

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    I love how protective you guys are about your 2nd amendment and how the constitution can never ever change and its stuck there no matter what.

    amendment
    1. the act of amending or the state of being amended.
    2. an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc.
    3. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squigglyo View Post
    I love how protective you guys are about your 2nd amendment and how the constitution can never ever change and its stuck there no matter what.

    amendment
    1. the act of amending or the state of being amended.
    2. an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc.
    3. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion
    Well, if the majority of the people wanted to amend the consitution to remove the second amendment they would. The majority of the country has common sense so...yeah

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    Trump is the last person I would count on in preserving constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by King Candy View Post
    I can't explain it because I'm an idiot, and I have to live with that post for the rest of my life. Better to just smile and back away slowly. Ignore it so that it can go away.
    Thanks for the avatar goes to Carbot Animations and Sy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Well, if the majority of the people wanted to amend the consitution to remove the second amendment they would. The majority of the country has common sense so...yeah
    Apparently not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squigglyo View Post
    I love how protective you guys are about your 2nd amendment and how the constitution can never ever change and its stuck there no matter what.

    amendment
    1. the act of amending or the state of being amended.
    2. an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc.
    3. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion
    The second amendment has about as much of a chance of being amended as the first amendment, or the fourth for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by want my Slimjim View Post
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    we must do everything we to protect our freedoms. Yes freedom comes with repercussions and risk but it's totally worth it over a false sense of security that is the government to protect us instead and many us.
    Let me know as soon as Trump revises his stance weakening our first amendment rights, and I'll be more than happy to discuss second amendment rights with you.

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    What bugs me is how just a few judges can take away peoples civil rights. If they can take away the 2nd amendment they will take away all amendments. At the very least they will degrade them until we are just the next chapter in a history book.

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    Mandatory training along with tough background checks along with mental screenings is really what's needed. This idea of loose laws with everyone getting guns with few questions asked is nothing short of a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertony51 View Post
    Well, if the majority of the people wanted to amend the consitution to remove the second amendment they would. The majority of the country has common sense so...yeah
    unless they want something i dont want

    then its leftist (or fascist) propaganda

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    Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
    Oh yeah, cause that is sure to end well. Giving gun nuts the impression that they have free reign to pretend to be Judge Dredd couldnt possibly go wrong. Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life looking over your shoulder praying that that paranoid nut over there doesnt shoot you in the back for reaching for your cellphone / wallet in a way he doesnt like, cause now he is going to have precieved government backing for taking his "protection" into his own hands.
    Last edited by Surfd; 2016-06-27 at 07:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    What bugs me is how just a few judges can take away peoples civil rights. If they can take away the 2nd amendment they will take away all amendments. At the very least they will degrade them until we are just the next chapter in a history book.
    I assume you're referencing the Supreme Court? Even assuming an activist court looking to make rather large changes, they cannot take away anything which is explicitly laid out. For two examples, let's take the first two amendments.

    First amendment: "Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    The most vague statement in there is "respecting an establishment of religion", but even that has only so much wiggle room; the rest is relatively clear cut. There is certainly room for debate as to what constitutes speech vs. action, but even there the default is always going to be in favor of speech.

    Second amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    There's a lot more room for debate there. When you say "congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech", your only wiggle room is whether or not something is "speech" or "action". But "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", even if it had no other statements, says nothing about the quantity of arms, or their nature, or anything else. "Not infringing a right" has a very different meaning than "not abridging freedom"; the later is more powerful and has greater repercussions, while the former requires only that the right itself remain intact.

    In other words, a few judges can't just take away people's civil rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Oh yeah, cause that is sure to end well. Giving gun nuts the impression that they have free reign to pretend to be Judge Dredd couldnt possibly go wrong. Hope you enjoy spending the rest of your life looking over your shoulder praying that that paranoid nut over there doesnt shoot you in the back for reaching for your cellphone / wallet in a way he doesnt like.
    Hate to break it to you, we've had the second amendment for a while now and we are still prospering and growing.

    Do people really think America is like something out of Mad Max? lol

    Wait, don't answer that...

    Pro-tip: Stay out of gang ridden cities and your chances of being shot are smaller than being struck by lightning while doing it doggystyle with your girl, while ontop of a bus driving down the freeway.

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    You must enjoy all the massacres you're having. There really shouldn't be any discussion about this. It's the same as if there were no speed limits on the road, many would do fine, but a lot of shit would happen too.

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    Oh look, more trump supporter bashing without infractions. Bet if I insult Hillary i get infracted. Welcome to NaziMod-champion.com.

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    But if we'd remove guns from the US, we'd have more cases of Florida Man..

    You gotta weight your options here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by truulte View Post
    You must enjoy all the massacres you're having. There really shouldn't be any discussion about this. It's the same as if there were no speed limits on the road, many would do fine, but a lot of shit would happen too.
    Lmao, the homicide rates in countries that banned guns didnt even fucking drop. Infact they spiked and then returned to normal. When will people stop pushing this bullshit narative that has proof it doesnt work.

    Guns dont kill people. People kill people. It doesnt matter if they have a gun, they'll just find something else. OH, and PS you can make a fully functional shotgun using parts that you can buy at any store like the home depot, or lowes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cebel View Post
    Lmao, the homicide rates in countries that banned guns didnt even fucking drop. Infact they spiked and then returned to normal. When will people stop pushing this bullshit narative that has proof it doesnt work.

    Guns dont kill people. People kill people. It doesnt matter if they have a gun, they'll just find something else. OH, and PS you can make a fully functional shotgun using parts that you can buy at any store like the home depot, or lowes.
    But ma per capita data bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TITAN308 View Post
    Hate to break it to you, we've had the second amendment for a while now and we are still prospering and growing.

    Do people really think America is like something out of Mad Max? lol

    Wait, don't answer that...

    Pro-tip: Stay out of gang ridden cities and your chances of being shot are smaller than being struck by lightning while doing it doggystyle with your girl, while ontop of a bus driving down the freeway.
    Its so dangerous here in america man, i wear my bomb squad gear everywhere since theres so many psycho's out there.

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