Canada and the U.S. meet to discuss Refugee Response

[Theinquisition]

Wel atleast Tony wont have to throw himself into the fire and we can save him.

Please do, I want to be saved.

OT...For real though, no we don't want any refugees, we have enough problems as it is.

thanks

[Deleted]

Canada is doing its part

So, do you, by any chance, know whether that 28000 is the number of asylum seekers who have arrived in Canada into the asylum seeker system, or whether it's actually 28000 who have given refugee status and have been resettled in Canada? Because I know people don't know the first thing about when to use the term asylum seeker and when to use the term refugee, and if that article actually means asylum seekers and not actual official resettled refugees, then Canada is lagging a bit behind in "doing it's part". Finland took in 32000 asylum seekers last year, and if you look at how many Sweden or Germany have taken... Well.

But, most of those 32000 asylum seekers in Finland are in the system, and being turned back, because they don't deserve a refugee status. For example, in my small town, we're housing 300 asylum seekers, of whom almost all get sent away to other centers and eventually back to their countries. These aren't people who deserve a refugee status and a safe haven.

So, I'd just be curious to know how many actual asylum seekers Canada has received, and how many of them have actually been resettled in Canada as actual official refugees.

I have zero expectations of getting an answer to this question.

Also, as for "doing one's part", how about stop joining "coalitions" that invade countries illegally and cause their subsequent destruction, thus causing these problems. That might be a great start.

[Tyrianth]

How is "...it's time for other countries to step it up and follow suit" not a boast? You realise that we can read the OP as well? That is clearly stating that others should follow the example set by Canada, presumably to all fight for 41st place.

Because, as I said, there are plenty of countries far below Canada who are also much richer. The US, for example, has a much a larger population, and much larger GDP, so they should be able to house more refugees, yet there they are at number 75 per capita. Or the UK at 59.

[Paklaaji]

- this is how Tenispro reacts to the news that this will become the new norm in the West.

-One email, Goldy reported on Monday, said that 19 and 20-year-old Syrian migrants were aggressively confronting teachers, “particularly when it comes to the girls in the class, and also bullying the others in the class.”
-One school employee reported “issues surrounding gender/age divisions that seems important to our Syrian population – especially these older boys when it comes to their younger sisters.”
-Another email reported that students were offended that the refugees were using sexually explicit language in front of their female classmates.

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Hey Tenispro, can you give us your smiley for these news? I guess it`s either or .

More than a month after her 5-year-old daughter was allegedly raped by a child refugee from Iraq, Laney Shelly of Twin Falls, Idaho, says her little girl is still traumatized by the incident while local authorities have denied her access to basic documents such as the 911 transcripts, police and medical reports.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/mom-of-id...jQyfkfVyZZ6.99
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In Lowell, Massachusetts, a 22-year-old Syrian refugee, Emad Hasso, has been arrested after being accused of inappropriately touching a 13-year-old girl at a public swimming pool. Hasso has been in the United States only two months.

On Friday, Hasso was ordered held on $25,000 cash bail by the Lowell District Court after pleading not guilty to one count of indecent assault and battery on a child under 16. Hasso spoke through an interpreter.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/syrian-re...ETirfsIjSms.99

I hope one day you`ll realize how wicked your preachments are. And I hope that if you do, the guilt you`ll feel about your preachments will haunt you till the day you die in a bloody agony.

[Mayhem]

It was true in mid-2015, just before the massive spike of refugees into Europe, so it is oudated for places like Germany.

Ah ok. Damn it look at lebanon and jordan o_O.

[Kalis]

Because, as I said, there are plenty of countries far below Canada who are also much richer. The US, for example, has a much a larger population, and much larger GDP, so they should be able to house more refugees, yet there they are at number 75 per capita. Or the UK at 59.

Who from the UK or US is making threads boasting about what they are doing in respect of refugees? Nobody is, yet here we have a thread boasting about Canada...who are 41st.

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Ah ok. Damn it look at lebanon and jordan o_O.

One-in-five people in Lebanon is a refugee, pretty staggering statistic.

[Mayhem]

Because truth and logic are always good.

So if you say that, why the hell do you continue with this:

For example, is Tennisace making these pro-mass refugee statements based on facts or based on feelings and emotions? Instead of saying we need more refugees, he should instead provide statistics showing that they are going to be good for the economy and how they will quickly assimilate to Western values, such as those relating to secularism, gays, women, and apostates.

The westerners haven´t even assimilated to these western values and they live here a lot longer.

It´s also a western value to help those in need and not ask what they can do for us first.

I do find it ironic that you talk about facts and then continue with feelings and emotions such as "do they hold dear what i hold dear?".

So since truth and logic are always good, why did you argue against my initial post? Shouldn´t you be one that tries to shut down lies and ignorance?

[Tyrianth]

Who from the UK or US is making threads boasting about what they are doing in respect of refugees? Nobody is, yet here we have a thread boasting about Canada...who are 41st.

Lol I don't think you know what boasting is. None of this is boasting. No one is saying "OMFG CANADA IS AT 41 WE'RE THE FUCKING BEST". Canada does not exist in a vacuum. In relation to other countries Canada is indeed pulling it's part, we're in the 75th percentile of refugees per capita. That is pulling our weight especially considering the logistics and costs involved of getting 1000's getting people to Canada from over 9000km away.

[Independent voter]

Syrian refugees: New arrivals struggle to find work [in Canada]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...work-1.3453814

[PC2]

The westerners haven´t even assimilated to these western values and they live here a lot longer.

The difference is people born here are automatically citizens, so we can't screen out any of those potential future troublemakers, but we can screen out(prevent) non-citizens who we know from polling have well over a 50% chance of holding anti-West values.

It´s also a western value to help those in need and not ask what they can do for us first.

No this is just stupidity to not analyze whether it will be a net benefit to civilization.

I do find it ironic that you talk about facts and then continue with feelings and emotions such as "do they hold dear what i hold dear?".

What I hold dear are ideas like the first amendment, which transcend mere emotions and feelings. There is universal logic in things like free expression combined with the socratic method.

[Kalis]

Lol I don't think you know what boasting is. None of this is boasting. No one is saying "OMFG CANADA IS AT 41 WE'RE THE FUCKING BEST". Canada does not exist in a vacuum. In relation to other countries Canada is indeed pulling it's part, we're in the 75th percentile of refugees per capita.

How is it not boasting to claim that others should step it up and follow Canada's lead?

And of course nobody says "41st! We are the best!" because nobody who makes this sort of shitty thread would bother to provide facts that go against their jingoistic horseshit - I pointed that out, not the OP.

That is pulling our weight especially considering the logistics and costs involved of getting 1000's getting people to Canada from over 9000km away.

Canada is not poor, you have no case to plead poverty on the costs. You either go above and beyond to do something (which Canada is not doing) or you pipe down.

[Zeek Daniels]

Send the bastards back where they came from and tell them to fight for their country's future.

exactly. Instead they want their "new country" to bend to their culture as they transform it back into where they once called home.

[Tyrianth]

How is it not boasting to claim that others should step it up and follow Canada's lead?

And of course nobody says "41st! We are the best!" because nobody who makes this sort of shitty thread would bother to provide facts that go against their jingoistic horseshit - I pointed that out, not the OP.

Asking people to put in a fair effort, like Canada is doing, is not boasting. That is not a complicated concept.

Canada is not poor, you have no case to plead poverty on the costs. You either go above and beyond to do something (which Canada is not doing) or you pipe down.

That's fucking bullshit. So you can only comment on countries that are doing well below their share if you're just pulling your share? And you're extremely naive if you don't think the logistics for getting to people from the Middle East to Canada is a bit more complicated then sending them on a train to a bordering, or land accessible, country.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Syrian refugees: New arrivals struggle to find work [in Canada]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso...work-1.3453814

It's not entirely unexpected that language barriers would affect their opportunities for employment - the article is also 5 months old, given time to learn the language I think we'll see unemployment for refugees decline.

Here's a more recent article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle30820904/

Watch the video.

[Mayhem]

The difference is people born here are automatically citizens, so we can't screen out any of those potential future troublemakers, but we can screen out(prevent) non-citizens who we know from polling have well over a 50% chance of holding anti-West values.

What are anti-west values? And how much impact do you think they have?

No this is just stupidity to not analyze whether it will be a net benefit to civilization.

So? It´s still a western value, don´t you care for western values? I don´t think profiting off of the ones in need is a western value.

What I hold dear are ideas like the first amendment, which transcend mere emotions and feelings. There is universal logic in things like free expression combined with the socratic method.

Nothing wrong with free expression, but depending on the nonsense you freely expressed, people will tell you to shut up. And if you repeat that nonsense for too long, people will try to shut you up because you´re moving from expressing your stupidity freely to influence other idiots, and that´s bad for society. It´s the logical thing to do.

[Kalis]

Asking people to put in a fair effort, like Canada is doing, is not boasting. That is not a complicated concept.

Canada is not putting in a fair effort though, this has been shown when you compare their wealth to where they rank on the refugee helping lists - Malta is doing more than Canada. Malta...that speck in the Mediterrnean which is so small that it often does not even appear on maps.

And claiming that others should follow the lead of Canada, as the OP has done, is quite clearly meant as a boast.

That's fucking bullshit. So you can only comment on countries that are doing well below their share if you're just pulling your share?

I said not to boast, not to not comment.

And you're extremely naive if you don't think the logistics for getting to people from the Middle East to Canada is a bit more complicated then sending them on a train to a bordering, or land accessible, country.

Where did I say anything even close to resembling that?

[PC2]

What are anti-west values? And how much impact do you think they have?

Examples would be not respecting apostates and gay peoples right to exist, theocracy over secularism, lesser rights for woman.

Nothing wrong with free expression, but depending on the nonsense you freely expressed, people will tell you to shut up. And if you repeat that nonsense for too long, people will try to shut you up because you´re moving from expressing your stupidity freely to influence other idiots, and that´s bad for society. It´s the logical thing to do.

That isn't based on argument, that is a silencing tactic.

[lonely zergling]

28000, wow thats not even half the number of my federal state. Keep it up!

[Arewn]

Canada is not even in the top 40 nations for refugee assistance on a per head basis, or in the top 25 for total numbers.

Which is probably why its going as well as it is, taking numbers the country can actually deal with.

Other countries should follow Canada's lead in that respect. Take less refugees, and properly screen those you do take. Only bring in what you can handle.

[Tyrianth]

Canada is not putting in a fair effort though, this has been shown when you compare their wealth to where they rank on the refugee helping lists - Malta is doing more than Canada. Malta...that speck in the Mediterrnean which is so small that it often does not even appear on maps.

And claiming that others should follow the lead of Canada, as the OP has done, is quite clearly meant as a boast.

Malta is also steps away from Syria, and has a tiny population which inflates per capita numbers. Canada has CITIES with more refugees than Malta.

I said not to boast, not to not comment.

Not boasting. Commenting.

Where did I say anything even close to resembling that?

You seem to think that the logistics in getting 1000s of people to Canada from half way around the world, over a massive ocean, is as easy as letting them walk or take a train across your borders. Or else you wouldn't be claiming that Canada isn't pulling its weight. It is not that easy, if it were our numbers would be much, MUCH, higher. Canada is pulling it's part because we don't have the logistic capabilities without spending a massive chunk of our GDP to get the 100,000's of thousands that you're claiming Canada should be able to take in. If you want Canada to take Malta's spot as 10th in per capita Canada would have to take in over half a million refugees. Getting half a million people to Canada is not an easy task.