Flying is disorder in mmo, and it should never be introduced in game. Good fantasy, but it doesn't fit in large picture.
They obviously have a reason for why they chose this. They either can't find a solution they think is good enough for both sides of the argument to agree with or they don't want to. I dunno.
Also and more importantly: If you've been unsubbed since the end of Cata then how or why do you even care about the state of flying in the game? You obviously didn't quit because of a lack of flying because flying was in MoP once you hit level 90.
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Jk you lied about being unsubbed since Cata lol
Hard to explain this problem, if you have never played Vanilla. I've already said, that I don't record videos, but if I would - I would show you great examples of this problem. About 2 weeks ago I encountered Kra'nak wiping and was able to complete it within reasonable amount of time due to only one reason - flying allowed me to get from one side of location to another within just few seconds - otherwise I would have missed mobs, that respawned there right at that moment. If there wouldn't be flying - other players would always wipe all mobs right in front of me, leaving nothing for me.
I've already said, that current outdoor design - is like mining/herbalism back in Cata. If there is player in front of you, picking nodes/herbs - it's pointless to follow him, as he is in best spot and grab all respawning node/herbs and you're getting nothing. You should change direction quickly in order to find a spot, where nodes/herbs are just about to respawn. And flying - is best tool for doing it. Guess what? In case of resource gathering this design was buried for reason. Because such kind of pseudo-PVP in PVE game - is complete nonsense.
Why packed design is bad and old one - good? Small locations mean small amount of mobs/items. And old one provided enough mobs/items for ALL players.
I don't care about Wow 11.0, if it's not solo-MMO. No half-measures - just perfect xpack.
So you will pay half year of sub, $90 total.
Cannot believe people fall for this.
See, you see that argument as reasons why something is bad. I just see it as you being bad.
What if there was someone that really just especially sucked at moving. Like a mom playing a complicated video game. They could easily come to the forums and make it sound like it's the game's fault, but if you watched them play for 2 minutes you'd see the problem. Considering how many bad players I see on the combat side of WoW, I don't discount that this many people just suck and need flying to compensate.
I'm not saying you suck. Point is, idk if you do. And considering Suramar is fine if you put a little effort into remembering paths and dozen leyline portals they give you, kind of easy to assume you suck or aren't trying. Either that or you have no patience, which I have even less compassion for.
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Caught me there!
I've played in every expansion except Legion so far. Blizzard hands off 7-10 day trials all the time, you just have to know when to look. So technically, the last time I played was WoD, but I don't think 7-day trials or 1 month of MoP is much I can say for how flight affected the expansions in long-term.
I don't quit or come back due to flying. I do so because of content, and that's the main point I've always pushed. Flying is just one of many factors to what I consider helpful in the content I want to do, like rare spawn farming or achievements. I know that the way I play, I will consume content faster than it can be delivered; and I'm not interested in sticking around for time-gated progress if I don't have to. We all know that within 6 months the gear you get is going to be made useless by newer gear, and it's not like gear is hard to get at all. I'm not one of those 'need BiS' players, and 'well you didn't do Mythic' doesn't apply to me since I wouldn't enjoy raiding if it wasn't with a group of friends. What's left for a returning veteran with no standing guild is doing all the random solo stuff like mount collecting, achievement farm and simply enjoying the world at my leisure. That's what flight helps achieve. Fuck if I care about anyone else's personal reasoning to have or not have, because none of what I'm asking for is taking away from anyone else's experience of the content any more than Blizzard adding flight in 7.2 would affect. The only difference is it happens sooner than later.
I don't see why so many people are defending current world content when it's already pretty inconsequential. World Quests aren't really required at this point, yet it's the dominant (as communicated by Blizzard) reason why we don't have flight yet. If flight had limitations and restrictions built into it, we wouldn't have to talk around it as if it's some god damned cheat mode that happens to prevent me from using my hard-earned mounts.
not nearly as much as is required for pathfinder. a fraction of it, in fact (you just need to be friendly with required factions... which takes relatively little time, a few intro quest per zone, really) - hell you get gliders randomly just by clicking on blingtron every day. not to mention.. insult to injury. died in Suramar for the first time (got a little reckless with the "kill specific mob" quest inside the city) and lo and behold - death run? is actualy a death flight. not flight ready, MY ASS.
but the reality.. even with flight. you skip no content. you merely reduce travel time between pieces of content. and contrary to what some of you think - navigating shitty terrain and mindless mob grinding? is not content. its time sink.
in any case. IMO? while I think rep grinds are a ridiculous, pointless and annoying addition to the requirement - fine. have a requirement to do all the quests to be able to fly. the part that bugs me is that even after you do all that... its STILL time gated. you have already seen all the content on the ground. why do you have to wait to see it from the sky, while having full control over your movement again?
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FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
Flight isn't meant to do anymore good than being a luxury shortcut from other people whom haven't done it. I actually like the unlock idea, it is a good method, for there is no way ANYONE has seen all the world content yet. For me, flight is basically something you deserve unlocked, when done with the world. I'm not talking world quests, but events etc. And there's apparently more to come.
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It is as it should be, a reward. Not just, "oh, I'm max level" purchase.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
And do you really believe that's what's happening? All the current content has been cleared already. We're 6 months into the expansion and there hasn't been any new area unlocks, just returns to places we've already been hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of times already. What "experience" is being preserved by withholding flight for this long?
You're missing the point, though. How much value does a "reward" have when there's nothing to use it on? What good is a "shortcut" when it doesn't lead anywhere you haven't already been hundreds of times and have no further interest in going to? What good is a "luxury" that doesn't actually have any value?
I'm all for having to put in work and time to unlock flying rather than simply being a gold purchase at max level with no investment. But you guys need to realize that Pathfinder is the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Pathfinder ensures that instead of GIVING flight value, that it instead has none.
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flying is not a luxury ffs. a yak mount with portable transmog is a luxury. one of those new over a mil at the vendor mounts is a luxury. flying is a quality of life feature.
So I should accept putting in a crap pile of time and effort on the trust that Blizzard won't just release a bunch of no-flying islands in 7.2 and 7.3? Don't make me laugh. Or maybe I should be pleased that when I finally get to fly, I can go revisit all those world quests that I did hundreds of times in order to unlock flying in the first place? You know....the ones that don't actually have any reputation I need because I already maxed it, and don't have any useful gear either? What a joke!
And as for putting in work: There's a difference between putting in some effort and getting compensation for it, and getting screwed and milked for no gain. Do you go to work every day, then at the end of the week celebrate getting a paycheck with $1 on it? No, of course not! Why should we be happy about completing pathfinder and getting flight that isn't actually good for anything, then?
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It's like doing a month's work, then receiving your pay in a currency that isn't legal tender anymore.
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