This is why you can't take legendary complaints seriously...

[TITAN308]

And while I agree there are some valid concerns from a small percentage of the player base that pushes progression it never fails when I see a "I got two crap legendaries this is unacceptable!" complaints you inevitably find the player looks like this:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...r/20407215/10/

Look I know its not popular opinion, but again, BiS legendaries are not going to magically make a shitty player good. This is a prime example of why Blizzard has to decide carefully how to handle changing this system, if a change is even warranted at all.

For the sake of being open and transparent I have one BiS and one crap. I am still a middle of the pack player who hovers on the border of 70-80% percentile. I am under no delusion that getting a second BiS is going to magically catapult me into the 90th percentile on fights. Practicing my rotation and building overall gear stats is what will help me inch closer to that top level of play.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...r/18063311/10/

[Deleted]

Bad player+no legendaries = bad performance
Bad player+best legendaries = better than bad but still bad performance
Good player+no legendary = good performance
Good player+best legendaries = better than good performance.

[Pyrophobia]

I got 4 legendaries on my main and they are all BAD

However on my alt i got 1 and it's BIS ....

P.S. ... got to update my signature no time for such things besides farming AP and legendaries chances like crazy

[Murderdoll]

Now compare an Unholy DK with and without their BIS Legendary.

[TITAN308]

Now compare an Unholy DK with and without their BIS Legendary.

And as I said I concede there is a small portion of the system that does have valid complaints. However, the vast majority seem to be complete bullshit.

Though in your example, I lean more towards the class itself has some sort of fundamental problem if a single BiS can somehow "fix" it.

[Deleted]

Exactly, I've been saying this all along.

The legendaries make a huge difference when your raid is consistently around the 90th percentile bracket from pull to pull without too much variation. That's when they become a gamechanger and can help you advance.

When your raid is - like in the log you linked - hovering between 15-60th brackets and it varies greatly from pull to pull and raid to raid, the legendaries, be it BiS or one of the "omg-kill-me"-bad ones makes fuck all difference to your raid progress - you have bigger problems than one gear slot.

But then again, raid leaders in those guilds are probably on the same level and it's easy to join the "BiS legendaries are the answer to all our problems"-badwagon.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

And as I said I concede there is a small portion of the system that does have valid complaints. However, the vast majority seem to be complete bullshit.

Though in your example, I lean more towards the class itself has some sort of fundamental problem if a single BiS can somehow "fix" it.

UH is hardly the only spec where one legendary is an enormous boost. Ret, Boomkin, Assassination are three that I can name off the top of my head where a BiS legendary can make 10% or more dps increase (cloak for Ret, helm for boomkin, bracers for assassination).

[arr0gance]

Ah, the good ol anti-elitist elitist circlejerk.

How productive of you to name and shame some poor shitlord who had the audacity to voice a complaint on an online message board. Why bother lobbing productive, intelligent conjecture Blizzard's way when you can simply write off entire swaths of players as mere casual scum and provide the timeless, wholesome advice everybody on the internet loves to hear: "Git gud."

[Deleted]

I don't quite get the point of this post...

Are you name-shaming the DH?
Are you trying to push your own logs as good ones?

You seem to ignore the fact that your legendairy and trinket have a preety strong synergy to the point where you could call the trinket a legendairy also.
And i am saying that based on the fact of how elusive it is... while not being directly farmable.

[Deleted]

Ah, the good ol anti-elitist elitist circlejerk.

How productive of you to name and shame some poor shitlord who had the audacity to voice a complaint on an online message board. Why bother lobbing productive, intelligent conjecture Blizzard's way when you can simply write off entire swaths of players as mere casual scum and provide the timeless, wholesome advice everybody on the internet loves to hear: "Git gud."

The advice is not "git gud" - the advice is: "legendaries are not a big thing, relax and enjoy the game" and it's a direct counter to all the people who've been mouthfoaming about losing their raid sports because they don't have the right legendary.

For most raid groups, the right legendary does fuck all to their progress. So chill, breathe, relax and enjoy the game, even if you get one of the shit ones - life is not over because of it.

[schwarzkopf]

Isn't naming/shaming against the rules ?

[Baconeggcheese]

I have two bis legendaries for my spec and I think the system is absolutely awful.

I enjoy the idea of capturing that super excitement, but they could have easily done that with unique aesthetics and the increased ilvl. What they have now is outright unfair. I have destro berries, my guildy who doesn't have them simply can't compete with me as destro unless I'm doing something very wrong. In fights with cleave I just dominate him, and the reverse is true in any ST fight, where he has 2 demo berries and he just dominates me.

Shits not fun just not being able to compete or always beating someone specifically because you do or don't have an item.

[arr0gance]

The advice is not "git gud" - the advice is: "legendaries are not a big thing, relax and enjoy the game" and it's a direct counter to all the people who've been mouthfoaming about losing their raid sports because they don't have the right legendary.

For most raid groups, the right legendary does fuck all to their progress. So chill, breathe, relax and enjoy the game, even if you get one of the shit ones - life is not over because of it.

The OP literally said people who complain about the system and have shit percentiles "cannot be taken seriously." You can suck at the game and still think the system sucks. It's not an excuse for poor performance but getting shit Legendaries can certainly demotivate players from even bothering to try performing well.

[potis]

The OP literally said people who complain about the system and have shit percentiles "cannot be taken seriously." You can suck at the game and still think the system sucks. It's not an excuse for poor performance but getting shit Legendaries can certainly demotivate players from even bothering to try performing well.

But it holds true.

And thats the problem and why people arent taken seriously, many bads believe the BiS legendary is the magical 150-200K DPS they are missing, when 99% is their own performance, same as watching people in 875 ilvl that cant pull over 250K and blame "legendaries".

Or many of the same people that go "My guild sat me out cause no legendary" dont realize thats just a bad raid leader that cant see the problem in his raid isnt obviously the 20-40K DPS increase 2 BiS Legendaries bring (Varies from class to class really).

The legendary acquisition way is insanely bad and stupid since they added DPS increase legendaries but its how it is but that is not the problem for 99% of the whiners.

[Deleted]

And while I agree there are some valid concerns from a small percentage of the player base that pushes progression it never fails when I see a "I got two crap legendaries this is unacceptable!" complaints you inevitably find the player looks like this:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...r/20407215/10/

Look I know its not popular opinion, but again, BiS legendaries are not going to magically make a shitty player good. This is a prime example of why Blizzard has to decide carefully how to handle changing this system, if a change is even warranted at all.

For the sake of being open and transparent I have one BiS and one crap. I am still a middle of the pack player who hovers on the border of 70-80% percentile. I am under no delusion that getting a second BiS is going to magically catapult me into the 90th percentile on fights. Practicing my rotation and building overall gear stats is what will help me inch closer to that top level of play.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...r/18063311/10/

when being 90% is something to brag about .... lol

[arr0gance]

But it holds true.

And thats the problem and why people arent taken seriously, many bads believe the BiS legendary is the magical 150-200K DPS they are missing, when 99% is their own performance, same as watching people in 875 ilvl that cant pull over 250K and blame "legendaries".

Or many of the same people that go "My guild sat me out cause no legendary" dont realize thats just a bad raid leader that cant see the problem in his raid isnt obviously the 20-40K DPS increase 2 BiS Legendaries bring (Varies from class to class really)

We're arguing two different things here. I'll agree there is definitely confirmation bias when it comes to shitty players feeling Legendaries are required but I don't think it's any more productive to wholesale dismiss their concerns simply because they suck at the game.

[Deleted]

when being 90% is something to brag about .... lol

Even better; 90% with a good legendairy and on heroic difficulty.

[potis]

We're arguing two different things here. I'll agree there is definitely confirmation bias when it comes to shitty players feeling Legendaries are required but I don't think it's any more productive to wholesale dismiss their concerns simply because they suck at the game.

But it is and when people cry too hard they get rewarded, its the Blizzard balancing system way and it all starts because they listen to people who suck at the game.

If you take one of this below average players and still buff their class by 50%, they will still perform worse than the rest, while the already PROPER BUTTON PRESSING SEQUENCE players, skyrocket to broken numbers.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Bad player+no legendaries = bad performance
Bad player+best legendaries = better than bad but still bad performance
Good player+no legendary = good performance
Good player+best legendaries = better than good performance.

Wait....stop the presses...are you telling me that a bad player with good gear will perform better than a bad player with bad gear?

[Kreeshak]

yes, we are paranoid when the person we've been outdpsing for 12 years, all of the sudden pulls ahead.

Apparently he did practice his rotation over night and we got rusty and forgot how to play over night.

In his own words "git gud bro"

right?