Threatened to be gkicked because of trash

[zaino]

Going afk for short amounts of time is ok


Not doing trash is not ok

[Ealyssa]

My question to all of this is do they have a fair point to gkick/bench me for not giving 110% performance on trash mobs or are they just being elitist while thinking they are casual?

You leech on the effort of others without their aproval. Of course you should be kicked.

Find a guild where your princess behavior can pass but please GTFO of your current guild. I would kick a diva like you without thinking twice.

[Notdev]

If everyone slacked on trash, it would lead to a lot of time wasted.

[Tennis]

I guess your guild tolerates it, which is up to them. You'll still be slowing them down by not helping them though, that's an undisputable fact.

I don't deny that. However it really is negligible in the grand scheme of things so for the right player it isn't an issue.

[announced]

But the thing is we don't get a break, were expected to raid solid for the 4 hours we raid, like what do they expect us to do? Have a piss bucket under the desk?

unless you are a girl, u shouldn't have issues not peeing for 4 hours. you need to get your bio breaks and snacks done before raiding because you are wasting everyone elses time by not putting in 110% even on trash. the guild has the right to kick you if you arent doing your best.

[MoanaLisa]

You are either on the raid team or you aren't. If you spend your time doing something else because the group is working through trash then you are not. They are correct to kick you off the team. I'm not sure you would have gotten a warning in some guilds.

[Miztickow]

If I were you I would just leave. In todays age of WoW you dont have to put up with any players you dont like. Why on earth would you want to play with people who would kick you for this or in any guild that wants to kick you

This is correct. You can complete all heroic raids with a pug and even a few mythic bosses if cross-realm is unlocked like it is for EN. I'm in a super casual guild because I like the people and I don't feel at all like I'm missing out. I got Ahead of the Curve for Archimonde and Xavius, and I just beat Normal Gul'dan today and got the cool mount (all with pugs).

[Deleted]

I don't deny that. However it really is negligible in the grand scheme of things so for the right player it isn't an issue.

Doesn't matter which player it is, to me. I mean if they are consistently AFKing on trash, not every once in a while. If a player is consistently AFKing I do not care how good they are, they should be benched. Anything else is a display of weak leadership by the guild.

[zaino]

Man people super fucking serious about trash.

Kinda wonder how casual everyone ripping on the op is.

[Crusch]

Habitually going afk on trash is pathetic.

[Deleted]

unless you are a girl, u shouldn't have issues not peeing for 4 hours. you need to get your bio breaks and snacks done before raiding because you are wasting everyone elses time by not putting in 110% even on trash. the guild has the right to kick you if you arent doing your best.

Girls can hold it in too, just a heads up.

[Raiju]

Well from what I've seen it's because I'm not in their "inner circle" of friends there's 20ish of the raid group, I'd say 13ish are either irl friends/played/known each other for years and then there's probably 4/5 of us which are outsiders and I've picked up that the "outsiders" get picked up on more little bitty bits more than the "friends" circle (there's been nights where dps are below tanks on multiple raids and nothing is said or done but because they are friends of all the gms/officers it's alright

Has multiple dps below tanks
Supposedly has people noticing you're not in melee range for 2 seconds because you were checking a text, despite claiming you keep up on trash

100% BS. You're fudging the story to sound better.

[callipygoustp]

I've never been kicked or even bothered by anyone for afking during trash. It seems my method works fine.

Is that really surprising? How often does anyone get kicked from LFR?

[Deleted]

Man people super fucking serious about trash.

Kinda wonder how casual everyone ripping on the op is.

It's an attitude thing - afking on trash is implying everyone else should do the shit job while you fuck around - if everyone had that attitude then raids would fall apart fast. There are plenty of fights are are just as tedious as trash, having people afk on ilgynoth and just tab in for the heart phases would get you kicked, afking on trash should too.

A few people deciding that they can't be bothered with trash and they're going to afk can easily snowball into a wipe in some places, and if one person can do it then everyone's entitled to it.

You signed up to raid for x hours, raid for x hours. If you're not bothering you've no legitimate reason to be outraged when the guild threatens to kick you because you're not doing what you signed up for. Raid loggers are bad enough, let alone boss loggers.

[zaino]

It's an attitude thing - afking on trash is implying everyone else should do the shit job while you fuck around - if everyone had that attitude then raids would fall apart fast. There are plenty of fights are are just as tedious as trash, having people afk on ilgynoth and just tab in for the heart phases would get you kicked, afking on trash should too.

A few people deciding that they can't be bothered with trash and they're going to afk can easily snowball into a wipe in some places, and if one person can do it then everyone's entitled to it.

You signed up to raid for x hours, raid for x hours. If you're not bothering you've no legitimate reason to be outraged when the guild threatens to kick you because you're not doing what you signed up for. Raid loggers are bad enough, let alone boss loggers.

its pretty circumstantial though. taking less than a minute to run upstairs during loot distribution or during trash to get more water isnt a crime. You raid with people not robots.

however it sounds like op was gone for an extended period of time during trash and was punished for it, thats inexcusable and i dont agree with it

sometimes im trying to do trash with one hand (razer naga) and eating a sandwich with the other hand, doing lazy dps. sue me?

[Tennis]

Doesn't matter which player it is, to me. I mean if they are consistently AFKing on trash, not every once in a while. If a player is consistently AFKing I do not care how good they are, they should be benched. Anything else is a display of weak leadership by the guild.

Eh obviously I mean once in a while not at every single trash pack. Fact is some of these guilds take no break or only take a break every 2 hours. People have lives so of course they will use trash to get things done.

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Habitually going afk on trash is pathetic.

It's way worse to not pull your weight on progression and get carried to loot.

[Dasani]

Trash HAS to be done. If every single person slacks off and does nothing in between bosses, trash doesn't die. It's that simple.

And if you're allowed to slack off and do nothing, why isn't everyone else?

It's not hard to understand.

[zaino]

Trash HAS to be done. If every single person slacks off and does nothing in between bosses, trash doesn't die. It's that simple.

And if you're allowed to slack off and do nothing, why isn't everyone else?

It's not hard to understand.

if you play in an all rogue all druid guild you dont have to do trash

[Kudos]

A guild member of ours streamed the last raid on Twitch.

I was curious, so I had a bit of a watch. I noticed that not only did he idle during most trash, but he'd occasionally stop mid boss fight and type replied to people. We threatened to bench him.

[Ragedaug]

This doesn't sound like an issue of giving 110%. Obviously we can't see their side of the argument, but it sounds more like you're giving 40-50%? As a raid leader of a semi-casual guild (even more casual than yours, from the sounds of it), I would likely threaten to kick you as well. Why should everyone else have to do the trash but not you? No one likes to clear the trash. Do your part and help clear it quickly so you can get to the bosses. Raiding, while fun, is also a bit like a job. You devote that period of time to the group, everyone works together. Be a team player, or, I guess, find a group that's even more casual and doesn't mind you afking on trash.

I was thinking the same thing. I almost laughed out loud when I saw the retort, "is it OK for them to kick me for not giving 110%".

100% effort would be optimal, but I'm guessing they'd be OK with 90% or maybe even 80%. One of my pet peeves in group content is grouping with slackers who feel my job is to carry them through the easy stuff. The tanks and healers don't get to check messages and half-AFK for trash. The DPS that are actually giving 100% and killing the trash don't get to check messages and half-AFK through trash. I cannot imagine what goes through someone's mind who thinks it is OK for them to drag the rest of the raid down because they don't like the tedium and get shocked that no one wants to drag them.

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But the thing is we don't get a break, were expected to raid solid for the 4 hours we raid, like what do they expect us to do? Have a piss bucket under the desk?

I should elaborate on this, I don't go solid afk during all trash. Its literally 30 secs to go for a bio, to reply to a text (if I have one) I still do my job in trash, do the deeps, blow what cds I can etc

Sounds like you should gquit and find a guild that doesn't mind you taking pee breaks and texting during raid. You'll be much happier. I think that's why you really came here. You want to quit that guild but lack the courage. You should just do it. Leave that guild. Probably the best thing for you to do is make your own guild where you can be raid leader. Then everyone can take pee breaks and afk to IM whenever they want. That would be best.