Heroic Krosus Help Request.

[Hoofshock]

Hello! A few days ago me and my guild attempted to take on H Krosus, but every time we got near to the end of the fight our tanks would die. We've never really had this issue before, as both our tank are pretty good players, but they just crumble on Krosus. Is there something that they are doing wrong for this fight, or is the raid taking too much damage for the healers to keep up and as a result causing our tanks to die?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports.../#type=summary

[Joeydivision82]

Something I've noticed and I'm not too great at reading logs compare to others, but you're running for 4 healers for 19 people and one of them, being the Paladin is pretty low.

On your 20% wipe you lost a healer less than 2 minutes into the fight, leaving you with 3 healers, and one of them who is sub par. You also lost a bunch of DPS and 2 healers at 4:03 and the fight went on to 4:40 leaving the Paladin to solo heal and only breaking 211K HPS, as a Paladin that is really bad.

My suggestion is to either add a healer or dump the Paladin and find a better one to replace him/her

[shinji204]

Hello! A few days ago me and my guild attempted to take on H Krosus, but every time we got near to the end of the fight our tanks would die. We've never really had this issue before, as both our tank are pretty good players, but they just crumble on Krosus. Is there something that they are doing wrong for this fight, or is the raid taking too much damage for the healers to keep up and as a result causing our tanks to die?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports.../#type=summary

Are they not topped off before slam? Do they have their active mitigation up when it happens? Do you guys have healing CD's ready? Are you guys correctly soaking? It seems to me like a healing/cd/tank mitigation issue.

[Guyv3r]

Had the same problem with HC Krosus last night (Vengeance DH). One of our healers has pretty low output aswell.

What i gathered from the attempts we had, 2 things need to be in order:

- Tanks need to be topped of before a Slam
- The boss starts hitting hard @4-5 stacks of Searing Brand (1million+ hit) so save CD's for this part.

Fix that and soak every Burning Pitch and its a kill!

[Hoofshock]

Are they not topped off before slam? Do they have their active mitigation up when it happens? Do you guys have healing CD's ready? Are you guys correctly soaking? It seems to me like a healing/cd/tank mitigation issue.

Yes, the tanks are all using AM and cds, but they never seem to be topped off during Slams 7+, the healers say the tanks are taking too much damage, the tanks say they're getting too little healing, and everyone is tilted.

[ScubaJones]

Looking at your logs
first off your tanks arent good like at all.
prot palyy has good trinks, DH decent. yet both damage and mitigation is garbage
and your overall dps is just pathetic.
dont look to be killing anything with that sub par garbage
and your healers are trash as well

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[Alltat]

Yes, the tanks are all using AM and cds, but they never seem to be topped off during Slams 7+, the healers say the tanks are taking too much damage, the tanks say they're getting too little healing, and everyone is tilted.

The tanks are probably right. It's an intense fight. They just have to heal more. Everyone (tanks especially) needs to be topped off before every major ability.

[Hoofshock]

Something I've noticed and I'm not too great at reading logs compare to others, but you're running for 4 healers for 19 people and one of them, being the Paladin is pretty low.

On your 20% wipe you lost a healer less than 2 minutes into the fight, leaving you with 3 healers, and one of them who is sub par. You also lost a bunch of DPS and 2 healers at 4:03 and the fight went on to 4:40 leaving the Paladin to solo heal and only breaking 211K HPS, as a Paladin that is really bad.

My suggestion is to either add a healer or dump the Paladin and find a better one to replace him/her

Do you think that though that adding another healer would cause us to hit enrage timers?

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Had the same problem with HC Krosus last night (Vengeance DH). One of our healers has pretty low output aswell.

What i gathered from the attempts we had, 2 things need to be in order:

- Tanks need to be topped of before a Slam
- The boss starts hitting hard @4-5 stacks of Searing Brand (1million+ hit) so save CD's for this part.

Fix that and soak every Burning Pitch and its a kill!

Should tanks be looking for externals when they hit 4-5 to minimize damage?

[ScubaJones]

Do you think that though that adding another healer would cause us to hit enrage timers?

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Should tanks be looking for externals when they hit 4-5 to minimize damage?

u have a fkin prot pally and dh.
if they need externals they should quit the game

[shinji204]

Do you think that though that adding another healer would cause us to hit enrage timers?

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Should tanks be looking for externals when they hit 4-5 to minimize damage?

Tanks should be looking for externals! Always. Also If you guys know during Slam #(insert number) raid and tanking damage have personals ready or a raid cd ready. You can run another healer. But if you are getting to the last platform and the 3rd slam is happening then it becomes a dps issue.

Didn't realize you had a prot pally and dh as a tank. hmm

[drbatman]

Do you tank tuant @ 5 stacks?
Are they topped up /using CD on slam?

those are only 2 ways they can die

[Guyv3r]

Do you think that though that adding another healer would cause us to hit enrage timers?

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Should tanks be looking for externals when they hit 4-5 to minimize damage?

Would love to say no but.. unfortunately i think i need a couple more tries to figure it out.

What i can say is, communication is key here. If a tank is out of cd's he should ask for one.
Also make sure they are not wasting their biggest cd's when low on Searing Brand stacks (active mitigation should be fine unless unlucky with parry/dodge/block)

[Joeydivision82]

Do you think that though that adding another healer would cause us to hit enrage timers?

It's always worth a try, we've had people switch over for certain fights to see if it would make a difference and at times it really did, other times, not so much. If your healers aren't able to top off the tanks, you're having a mix of tanks taking to much damage and healers not having high enough HPS, or just not utilizing their class to its fullest. Your tanks really need to look into getting a better set up if it's true their gear is not up to par. I don't know much about Paladins and Demon Hunters are far as tanks go, so I cannot say, but they could be taking ilevel over stats/utility. As a tank I think I have 8 trinkets in my bags and 2 equipped for tanking alone because the situation chances from time to time.

That 20% wipe looks like it could have been a kill, but consider what I said before, 1 healer down immediately, and 2 the last 40 seconds along with several DPS. Some mistakes are being made and you need to be much more aware of what's happening. Maybe sit 2-3 of the lower DPS to make up for the healer? Sit the healer and 2 DPS? There are other options, you just have to be willing to try them out and. It worry about people getting passed off.

[Hoofshock]

Tanks should be looking for externals! Always. Also If you guys know during Slam #(insert number) raid and tanking damage have personals ready or a raid cd ready. You can run another healer. But if you are getting to the last platform and the 3rd slam is happening then it becomes a dps issue.

I honestly don't know if we do or not, since we never have gotten to the last platform.

Now that i think about it a 5th healer would be fine.

[Spotnick]

Yes, the tanks are all using AM and cds, but they never seem to be topped off during Slams 7+, the healers say the tanks are taking too much damage, the tanks say they're getting too little healing, and everyone is tilted.

Your tanks are taking equivalent damage of what I see in both logs I have from guild and a pug.

It's a healing problem. Add a 5th healer, the ridiculously low overhealing your healers are doing is giving it away.

Also, you guys are taking too much damage from the orbs, which is probably also another issue, so I'm guessing the person with the orb doesn't always get as far away as he/she can.. and after 3rd/4th bridge the raid needs to go front left and orb back right for max distance and less damage.

[Hoofshock]

Would love to say no but.. unfortunately i think i need a couple more tries to figure it out.

What i can say is, communication is key here. If a tank is out of cd's he should ask for one.
Also make sure they are not wasting their biggest cd's when low on Searing Brand stacks (active mitigation should be fine unless unlucky with parry/dodge/block)

Out of curiousity, DHs Fiery Brand works on reducing dot damage from the boss, right?

[jayheals]

Have all of your healers post their logs in their class discord channel and ask for help, they're not doing very well at all. Just a brief look at the shaman and paladin, the shaman riptide healing is way too low, CBT looks low, HST is low, and the paladin is spamming the hell out of light of the martyr. There's so much predictable, heavy, raid-wide damage this fight it's difficult to do less than 400k hps.

[Guyv3r]

Out of curiousity, DHs Fiery Brand works on reducing dot damage from the boss, right?

Yep, but only to himself.

[Hoofshock]

Your tanks are taking equivalent damage of what I see in both logs I have from guild and a pug.

It's a healing problem. Add a 5th healer, the ridiculously low overhealing your healers are doing is giving it away.

Also, you guys are taking too much damage from the orbs, which is probably also another issue, so I'm guessing the person with the orb doesn't always get as far away as he/she can.. and after 3rd/4th bridge the raid needs to go front left and orb back right for max distance and less damage.

Ok, thanks for the tip!

[kaelleria]

The bigger issue is that you have 5-6 people getting hit by the beam almost every fight. This is putting some undue stress on your healers.

Your paladin tank also doesn't seem to be using any active mitigation before the slam. Pop Shield of the Righteous and it'll make those a lot smoother. Holy Shield and Spell Warding can also block applications of brand, so your tank might look into taking those talents instead.

You also seem to be getting adds on every pull. These are going ahead and hitting people (your paladin tank for one) and causing people to die.

This is absolutely not a healing problem, this is a tanking problem/people not doing fight mechanics problem.