Women secretly recorded by pickup ‘artists’ have little legal means to fight back

[tikcol]

Outrageous ! Lock them up boys

[Moralgy]

I'll be honest here, I'm amazed either of those dudes ever "picks up" anyone.

[Spiral Mage]

Claiming to be helping other men, while acting as a detriment to us.
It's people like this that make it hard for honest, sincere guys to have any luck.

We're all assumed to be like this creep, and the legions of others like him,
who have no idea what decency, physical, or moral boundaries are.

[Serpha]

So she was underage at that time, what a creep.

[ElDoorO]

Weird or creepy isn't illegal. And when it is I'm going to go to the most uptight people I know and claim they are being "weird" to have them arrested to show them how ridiculous it is to have weird or creepy be illegal.

[Kathandira]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ight-back.html

Really sad. Have you taken such classes?

What kind of person would resort to such means. It is quite troubling that there is a market for this sort of thing! What next you wonder...

Should the discussion be about secretly recording people in public and the lawful means in which to do so? Or should the discussion be about whether or not the pick up artist business is ethical or not?

The article discusses the former, but your comment addresses the ladder.

[DJ117]

Haha so cool. I wouldn't pay to learn how to be a player though.

[dextersmith]

What is almost violated? She was or she wasn't.

[Kathandira]

What is almost violated? She was or she wasn't.

She's just made she didn't make the final cut.

I kid....maybe...

[Sorrior]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ight-back.html

Really sad. Have you taken such classes?

What kind of person would resort to such means. It is quite troubling that there is a market for this sort of thing! What next you wonder...

I have not but as someone who cannot read others very well and can have insanely bad anxiety/confidence issues..I get the draw. I just consider them sleazy and often they are a bit sexism/messed up

[chewie49]

well on one hand, the law is generally something along the lines of 'if you have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public, you can be filmed.' however, there might be something to having your likeness used in marketing without permission. im not really a lawyer or anything so idk.

[Bryntrollian]

How is it secret if the cameraman is in plain sight ?

[purebalance]

Are you a lawyer, judge or law professor?

Are you????

[Doctor Amadeus]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ight-back.html

Really sad. Have you taken such classes?

What kind of person would resort to such means. It is quite troubling that there is a market for this sort of thing! What next you wonder...

I really hate reports like this, because I am torn by being a male feminist, and not crossing over into being that white knight, which can very much fly in the face of that.


Being a guy I can stand up and speak with with women, I can make the mistake of speaking for other women, because many might also look at this annoyed or angry but go you know what, while this is terrible, this is something women have to watch out for and where the law can't go to protect.


I hate PUA with a passion and this horseshit that as a guy I feel stereotypes this bullshit as OK, regardless to how frequently this behavior exist and what degrees. It is part of society, only thing left is to say is do the best you can, speak out but unless women lead and have that conversation, not sure how much better or things will improve.

[Polyxo]

I would say that legally, it currently depends on any other situational recording whether that involves disclosure, permission, etc. What I would say about how things should be is that recording should come with disclosure, and any 'hidden camera' situations should require permission. Effectively, give people an opportunity to participate or not.

[TirielWoW]

If you don't want some one filming you - remove yourself from the situation.

That makes sense if you know you're being filmed. This article seems to be pointing out that many women don't know they're being filmed and, thus, don't have the opportunity to remove themselves from the situation.

[primalmatter]

Are they actually breaking a law?

I find it distasteful but not enough to actively do anything about it. I can also see large legal ramifications from pushing this through that would effect security in a pretty big way.

[Dreknar20]

. They aren't using these videos for leisure but rather to exploit these women.

lol exploit?

Guess women exploit men on the daily by having a nice rack

[ramjb]

I hate PUA with a passion and this horseshit that as a guy I feel stereotypes this bullshit as OK

Why do you hate PUAs???? I know a lot of guys who studied/work in CompSci, and had their lives changed after being introduced to the PUA scene. It gave them confidence and many of them, who never had sex let alone a girlfriend before then, now have healthy sex lives. Personally, I find my PUA-changed IT friends a lot more fun now - they're more willing to get together for a drink at a bar, when previously they would have shied away.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Why do you hate PUAs???? I know a lot of guys who studied/work in CompSci, and had their lives changed after being introduced to the PUA scene. It gave them confidence and many of them, who never had sex let alone a girlfriend before then, now have healthy sex lives. Personally, I find my PUA-changed IT friends a lot more fun now - they're more willing to get together for a drink at a bar, when previously they would have shied away.

I personally don't approve of how they get their results. I mean the KKK might lift up the spirit of racist and in that I guess is a positive for them.

I'm not ok with PUA's association and philosophy that it's ok to game women. It would be the same if a group of women tried the same to marry a guy for his money. It's their thing I guess I just don't approve and one of those groups isn't hypothetical it's real PUA.

Lies and deception cost more in the end.