Canada’s Secret to Resisting the West’s Populist Wave - NYTimes

[Tennis]

Is it a greater threat than overweight or unmarried people?

Also what's with these ban lengths. I've typically stayed away for like 3 months after I've been banned, on my own accord. Are you telling me bans here are like a week long? Great.

A far greater threat. Although obesity is also very concerning to me and to health professionals globally. We need to promote unity not division. Trust not fear. Hope not despair.

I had an unfair ban and appealed it. You should be glad seeing as I was voted best poster of 2016.

[Ianus]

Partly because, surprise surprise, they do not have a giant ocean between them and the warzones. So they cannot pick and choose.

You should let them in in waves in Canada, in the same way and pace that they have been coming in in europe(no papers, same numbers etc). Oh, and you should also suffer a few terrorist attacks. After all that has happened, see how quickly populism will rise in Canada. I'm not saying I want this to happen, because of course I don't, but you have to be stupid to compare Canada and the EU in this regard.

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[Yvaelle]

Canada also has a population smaller than several of our states.

Just California, but yea - we're 1/12th the size of the US by population.

[Deleted]

Canada openess for immigrants is just for show, when it comes to actual people coming in, they are strictly checked and Northern Atlantic doesn't allow human trafficking without proper checks as Meditarrean Sea does (yet). Other countries facing immigration problems don't have such luxury to check everyone who comes to protect from unwanted ones.

It's easy to pretend immigration is great when you have luxury to cherry pick only the best of immigrants.

[RobertoCarlos]

You should be glad seeing as I was voted best poster of 2016.

Careful Tenn, people might see your true intentions behind these newsworthy "threads"

[Deleted]

I had an unfair ban and appealed it. You should be glad seeing as I was voted best poster of 2016.

You're right. You're one of like, what, six identical copy paste posters, who haven't got a single original thought between them. How could I, or the other people on these forums, ever do without you.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Only Nova Scotia.

Nova Scotia is lovely...so is much of the rest of Canada.

[vhatever]

I heard the secret was to send anyone with talent or common sense to the USA.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Is it a greater threat than overweight or unmarried people?

Also what's with these ban lengths. I've typically stayed away for like 3 months after I've been banned, on my own accord. Are you telling me bans here are like a week long? Great.

If you're actually curious as to how bans work

http://www.mmo-champion.com/faq.php?...es_infractions

[Deleted]

If you're actually curious as to how bans work

Yeah I've had 30 beers. I don't understand fucking numbers. I just have the common decency to stay away for months after I get my red card. Seems to work fine.

[Theodarzna]

Nova Scotia is lovely...so is much of the rest of Canada.

St. Francis Xavier University and the Gaelic college isn't in the rest of Canada, so I disagree.

[Knolan]

The number of refuges Canada government is supporting as of January 2017 is 21,876 (Canada's population is nearly 36 million people).

That is pretty low. Not to mention that Canada is taking only Syrian refuges, no economic migrants, as most of Europe is doing. Not to mention that Canada is focusing mainly on Female refuges or families, unlike countries like Sweden that had a majority of military age males.

Since you took the opportunity to mention the US, I noticed that you forgot to take into consideration that US already has about 11 million illegal Mexican immigrants. I believe that even you, a hardcore leftist can acknowledge that there is a finite amount of people that burdens your public system before it crumbles.

So basically, stop the virtual signal and stop pointing fingers at Europeans. You do not have the same situation as they have. If your population started suffering from migrant crimes, had a heavy public cost to keep those people and had loads of terrorist attacks in their neighborhoods and virtually no borders, they would also go for populist right wing politicians, because that is pretty much the only choice that may offer them a different result.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

St. Francis Xavier University and the Gaelic college isn't in the rest of Canada, so I disagree.

So you've seen one part of a country and decided it's the only part that's nice.

And you wonder why people question your critical thinking skills.

[Ahovv]

Neo liberalism maybe but actuall classic liberalism is very pro worker.

Classical liberalism = modern right-libertarianism. Don't argue definitions to claim classical liberalism is the "actual" liberalism, because that's absurd.

[Manabomb]

Imagine that, you pick and choose who you want, taking only the best and brightest, and people are ok with it.

Which is why American immigration to Canada isn't a problem. Picking the best and brightest exempts America.

[Tennis]

The number of refuges Canada government is supporting as of January 2017 is 21,876 (Canada's population is nearly 36 million people).

That is pretty low. Not to mention that Canada is taking only Syrian refuges, no economic migrants, as most of Europe is doing. Not to mention that Canada is focusing mainly on Female refuges or families, unlike countries like Sweden that had a majority of military age males.

Since you took the opportunity to mention the US, I noticed that you forgot to take into consideration that US already has about 11 million illegal Mexican immigrants. I believe that even you, a hardcore leftist can acknowledge that there is a finite amount of people that burdens your public system before it crumbles.

So basically, stop the virtual signal and stop pointing fingers at Europeans. You do not have the same situation as they have. If your population started suffering from migrant crimes, had a heavy public cost to keep those people and had loads of terrorist attacks in their neighborhoods and virtually no borders, they would also go for populist right wing politicians, because that is pretty much the only choice that may offer them a different result.

Your numbers are outdated mate.
January 2017. It's July now. The number is way higher than that!

[Zandalarian Paladin]

What can I say? We already went through the US crash that's happening right now with the Harper's conservatives. We're just 10 years ahead.

[RohanV]

I think the bigger reason Canada isn't very populist is that our elites haven't completely screwed up yet. In fact, compared to the rest of the West, they're downright competent. The best example is the financial crisis of 2008. Our financial sector didn't go crazy and do stupid things with housing loans, and thus didn't need to be bailed out by the government/taxpayers.

If the "elites" are doing their job, there's no reason to throw them out.

I heard the secret was to send anyone with talent or common sense to the USA.

Heh, I actually believe something very similar to this. We send people who are overly ambitious and willing to take excessive shortcuts to the USA. Thus the people who remain, particularly in the financial industry, are more conservative and less likely to do unusual things which end up causing a crisis.

[Manabomb]

The number of refuges Canada government is supporting as of January 2017 is 21,876 (Canada's population is nearly 36 million people).

That is pretty low. Not to mention that Canada is taking only Syrian refuges, no economic migrants, as most of Europe is doing. Not to mention that Canada is focusing mainly on Female refuges or families, unlike countries like Sweden that had a majority of military age males.

Since you took the opportunity to mention the US, I noticed that you forgot to take into consideration that US already has about 11 million illegal Mexican immigrants. I believe that even you, a hardcore leftist can acknowledge that there is a finite amount of people that burdens your public system before it crumbles.

So basically, stop the virtual signal and stop pointing fingers at Europeans. You do not have the same situation as they have. If your population started suffering from migrant crimes, had a heavy public cost to keep those people and had loads of terrorist attacks in their neighborhoods and virtually no borders, they would also go for populist right wing politicians, because that is pretty much the only choice that may offer them a different result.

I'm honestly looking for sources on just how much money is poured into illegal immigrants vs. the money they make back via working here and paying taxes.

Whine and cry about natural citizenship all you want, but if all 11 million of those illegal immigrants were the leeching moochers the right claims they are, states like California wouldn't be leading the country in GDP while also maintaining above average GDP per capita ratio (top 10, actually). Infact, 3/4 of the southern states that border directly with Mexico have seen nothing but their GDP increase more and more despite more and more illegal immigrants supposedly putting stress on the system.

Call me a skeptic, but I think you're pointing to a causation that hasn't been proven by any real world data other than the classical "feeling" science.

[Stop Pretending]

Your numbers are outdated mate.
January 2017. It's July now. The number is way higher than that!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ion-quota-2017

Canada is projected to take in 300k migrants. 300k.

The U.S. took in close to 500k immigrants from Mexico alone last year, not including ones who avoided detection. That's just Mexico. So don't mind us when you laugh at your shitty, paltry numbers of immigrants Canada takes in. Especially concidering how low your actual numbers compare to just about everyone, oh who also don't cherry pick who enters the county.