Warham - Mmo-Champ

[morfez]

Well Warhammer is coming soon 1 month exactly we will be expectating a new step on mmorpgs, a lot of persons says warcraft will be the best all the time but i mean is time to face the true... 1-70 is boring for me i now the long path, the long long long grinding quests ( every quest is a grind ), the dungeons damn i think every1 that has a 70 nows all the leveling dungeons as the palm of ur face.

I mean pre bc was fun, bc is bah that av redone really sucked, wotlk i dont even want to c it. Remember the first time u guys played WoW the feeling addiction I played 19 hours straight the first day, it was like a god like game, well face it wow is gone, welcome warhammer and is time to revive those moments with warh.

I like to c a page like this for warh and a wowhead or something, of course is going to exist but i hope is the same interface as this one...

Sorry if there was a post like this, but i wanted to make mine.. start pollin

[Deleted]

No...

[skyclops]

yes i will try it as it has a fresh new concept lots of original idaes its lore is really steep & it looks fun
& i believe this is why blizz are making a next gen mmorpg



Blizzard's vice president of product development, Frank Pearce, shares Sams' optimism: "At some point, some product’s going to come along and cannibalize the World of Warcraft player base, and if it’s going to happen, it’d be better for us to cannibalize our own player base compared to having another publisher do it."

[sp0rk]

I was ready to go to Warhammer quite a few years ago when all the hype started up. By now, I feel like I'm tired of the game already and I haven't even played it. Unless I hear a lot of really shining reviews after it's release, I think I'll be sticking with WoW.

[Deleted]

at least think u will have the half players u have atm lol

what do you mean or what are you trying to say?

[Soopr Serial]

Well Warhammer is coming soon 1 month exactly we will be expectating a new step on mmorpgs, a lot of persons says warcraft will be the best all the time but i mean is time to face the true... 1-70 is boring for me i now the long path, the long long long grinding quests ( every quest is a grind ), the dungeons damn i think every1 that has a 70 nows all the leveling dungeons as the palm of ur face.

I mean pre bc was fun, bc is bah that av redone really sucked, wotlk i dont even want to c it. Remember the first time u guys played WoW the feeling addiction I played 19 hours straight the first day, it was like a god like game, well face it wow is gone, welcome warhammer and is time to revive those moments with warh.

I like to c a page like this for warh and a wowhead or something, of course is going to exist but i hope is the same interface as this one...

Sorry if there was a post like this, but i wanted to make mine.. start pollin

I honestly do not see how much better it will be. Yes it will be fresh, new race/classes and lore. But there will be months and months of fixing kinks/bugs/balance. There will be leveling grinds. And at the end of the day, there will still probably be imbalance like regular WoW. I also heard they are removing much content to meet their release date, something Blizzard will never do.

[Chrisda19]

I voted no. That's all I can say at the moment since I'm under NDA with EA/Mythic.

[lalunas]

I fail to see how this is suited for the Wrath of the Lich King forum section, oh well...

To reply to the original poster though, I think you are quite wrong sir. I find WoW is very interesting game. I spend a lot of my time improving my knowledge about the game, and in improving my character as much as I can in hope of some day finally bringing the end boss down.

Warhammer will bring competition, and this is good. Will it steal more player than Age of Conan did? I do not think so. Mike Morhaime did admit recently that a major group of players left World of Warcraft to go play Age of Conan. Last number I heard, was around 700 000 copies sold. But he also stated that around 40% ofthese players, chose to come back to World of Warcraft after playing Age of Conan for some time. The general feeling of the game is that it isn´t quite done yet.

Now, will Warhammer Online bring an end to World of Warcraft? Absolutely not.
Will it steal a major part of the WoW player base? Probably.
Will more people leave for Warhammer compared to Age of Conan? I do not think so. The advertising of Warhammer has been pretty bad. Most people agree that Age of Cnan wasnt done at release, but they still made a huge fuzz in the gaming community. People knew the game was coming. I can´t say it i the same with Warhammer. There haven´t been a lot of advertising at all.
In fact, all the news that´s been around about Warhammer, has stated that the game will be horrible at release. Not long ago the developers revealed thatthey were not including 4 major cities at release!
This is certainly not good. It seems like the corporate side of the developers are showing off.

I might be wrong though. The game might get 2 million subscribers at launch.
How many of the players will be ex WoW gamers though....?

[morfez]

I fail to see how this is suited for the Wrath of the Lich King forum section, oh well...

To reply to the original poster though, I think you are quite wrong sir. I find WoW is very interesting game. I spend a lot of my time improving my knowledge about the game, and in improving my character as much as I can in hope of some day finally bringing the end boss down.

Warhammer will bring competition, and this is good. Will it steal more player than Age of Conan did? I do not think so. Mike Morhaime did admit recently that a major group of players left World of Warcraft to go play Age of Conan. Last number I heard, was around 700 000 copies sold. But he also stated that around 40% ofthese players, chose to come back to World of Warcraft after playing Age of Conan for some time. The general feeling of the game is that it isn´t quite done yet.

Now, will Warhammer Online bring an end to World of Warcraft? Absolutely not.
Will it steal a major part of the WoW player base? Probably.
Will more people leave for Warhammer compared to Age of Conan? I do not think so. The advertising of Warhammer has been pretty bad. Most people agree that Age of COnan wasnt done at release, but they still made a huge fuzz in the gaming community. People knew the game was coming. I can´t say it i the same with Warhammer. There haven´t been a lot of advertising at all.
In fact, all the news that´s been around about Warhammer, has stated that the game will be horrible at release. Not long ago the developers revealed thatthey were not including 4 major cities at release!
This is certainly not good. It seems like the corporate side of the developers are showing off.

I might be wrong though. The game might get 2 million subscribers at launch.
How many of the players will be ex WoW gamers though....?

i agree with u in some parts.. but this is not AoC.. warhammer is a WoW with like 20~ different classes... they removed 2 to balance the game... and the major cities arent coming at launch cuz as warh crew said... each city has 100 quests 18 public quests and 4 major dungeons, with something like reputation system to unlock more gear and stuff... thats a lot of programming... anyway ull c warh is going to pwn WoW and only 10-15% players are going back to wow....

u dont have to grind on warh u can lvl up all ur way in RvR

[Darkspells]

"reroll" is a strong word (well it isn't actually a word, but you get what I'm saying). It implies that you're quitting something entirely and moving on to something else. In this case from WoW to Warhammer, obviously. I personally won't be "rerolling". I will be trying it out, however, and if it's good; at the very least, I'll play it until WotLK comes out.



On a side note, I have high hopes for this game. It's the only MMO that I think could ever even come close to WoW. Why? it's so much like WoW. I think it's safe to say that a lot of WoW players only continue to play WoW because all the other MMO's out right now suck, are flawed, or just have a very limited player base. Put yourself in someone else shoes; someone who wants to find another MMO, but only if it's good, and worthy of quitting WoW for. You now see a new MMO, that looks very similar to WoW. A game, that instead of being balanced around PvE (WoW), is balanced around PvP (Warhammer). I think that alone will attract many WoW players. However you really can't judge an MMO that isn't even out yet.

[Chrisda19]

i agree with u in some parts.. but this is not AoC.. warhammer is a WoW with like 20~ different classes... they removed 2 to balance the game... and the major cities arent coming at launch cuz as warh crew said... each city has 100 quests 18 public quests and 4 major dungeons, with something like reputation system to unlock more gear and stuff... thats a lot of programming... anyway ull c warh is going to pwn WoW and only 10-15% players are going back to wow....

u dont have to grind on warh u can lvl up all ur way in RvR

K so since most of this info isn't in the NDA, I'll clarify it for you since you seem to like distortion of the truth. For the record, I'm in the Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning Beta right now.

Yes Warhammer has a huge amount of lore to stem from and is very unique in its delivery. Given that you'd expect a lot of content. You will be able to choose between six races, and 20 classes total. Each race has its own set of classes unique to that race, no other race can use another races class, so you HAVE to play that race. Some classes are not unisex meaning that one class may be female only, tough luck if you want to make a male counterpart for that class, though this is unique to very few of the classes, it is still possible to play most classes with any gender. They removed four classes from the original 24 classes intended in the game (4 per race then). They cited that these classes just did not fit. I wasn't in beta in time to test those classes out but from what other testers and other news sites have explained, they were awesome. The reason why the other four major cities aren't in the game was explained by Mark Jacobs in an interview stating that they just didn't feel they'd be ready in time for release (I.e. they won't delay the game to complete each city). Frankly, having 6 capital cities would've been overwhelming and would've thinned the population too much. I can't comment on rep gear or anything of that sort, other than "rep" would be called Influence in this game. Yes you can level all through Warhammer doing RvR (Realm vs. Realm).

RvR is basically PvP with Keeps/Sieges/Keep Lords/City Sieges/Zone control. So think WoW BG's, in the game world non-instanced and fully attainable by Guilds/Realms.

Realm doesn't mean server, in this case it means Order or Destruction. Destruction is Greenskins (orc and goblins), Dark Elves, Chaos Humans. Order is Dwarves, Empire Humans, High Elves.

And I'll say again, I voted no to the poll.

[Evil_BunnySanta]

I guess when Blizzard was in the process of making WoW every employee sold their soul to satan, cause seriously...AoC came out, huge hype behind it. Sure ppl left but slowly and surely they're all coming back. No matter how good WH is gonna be, every1 will always side with WoW. I don't know what it is...but WoW pwns. Every other game seems all the same with their "realistic" graphics and such. But Blizz thought of the player(s) and reduced their graphics to a cartoonish style needing only minimal requirements to run the game. So to conclude all my babbling, WH is gonna have to sacrifice a lot of goats to beat WoW.

[lalunas]

However you really can't judge an MMO that isn't even out yet.

This is true, and I will probably try Warhammer when is comes out. I have tried Lord of the Rings Online, was very boring and not exciting at all, and I´ve tried Age of Conan as well; I didn´t enjoy my machine lagging behind, and the combat system was not functional in the way I hoped it might would be.

But as you said, we can´t judge Warhammer yet. Let´s try it when it comes out, the game developers deserve that afterall.
But do they deserve my subscription....?

[KokoMonkey]

I have the collector's edition pre-ordered.

Guaranteed beta entry FTW
Although the beta will be out for a super small amount of time. (open)

[Soopr Serial]

Wotlk may also bring back players that have quit during the past, because of the whole concept of death knight, Lich King, Northrend, etc.

[Ighox]

Well Warhammer is coming soon 1 month exactly we will be expectating a new step on mmorpgs, a lot of persons says warcraft will be the best all the time but i mean is time to face the true... 1-70 is boring for me i now the long path, the long long long grinding quests ( every quest is a grind ), the dungeons damn i think every1 that has a 70 nows all the leveling dungeons as the palm of ur face.

Trust me, Warhammer will be a grind as well.
Voted no, I'm an EA-racist

[Lesane]

i agree with u in some parts.. but this is not AoC.. warhammer is a WoW with like 20~ different classes... they removed 2 to balance the game... and the major cities arent coming at launch cuz as warh crew said... each city has 100 quests 18 public quests and 4 major dungeons, with something like reputation system to unlock more gear and stuff... thats a lot of programming... anyway ull c warh is going to pwn WoW and only 10-15% players are going back to wow....

u dont have to grind on warh u can lvl up all ur way in RvR

Yeah and RvR won't be grinding? It's just a different mechanic, instead of grinding quests you'll be grinding PVP kills. We all know how well that worked (Hi old rank 14 grinds). Besides that, I find it funny how you don't like grinding and then mention how you will unlock stuff with a reputation like system in WAR, sounds familiar.

I can name countless of games that were supposed to kill WoW and all have failed miserably or have been pushed back so many times that people lost track. The only game that was remotely succesful in stepping out of WoW's 'shadow' was AoC and even that was more of a temporary hype caused by a lot of bored players from WoW (mainly PVPers which had their full S3 gear for months and didn't see the end of S3 gear coming anytime soon). And apparently 40% of the players that made the switch returned already, imagine what will happen when WotLK is finally released.

I also don't understand people who are interested in this game because it's very much like WoW. If you want to step away from WoW, obviously you are not satisfied with it, so why step over to a game that's pretty much a clone? All this "game is balanced around PVP" bullshit is nice and all, but again that has been promised by many developers and we all saw how that worked out as well. Fury is closing their servers within 2 days because they can't keep up the costs anymore. Age of Conan's PVP received a "dishonorable kill-esque" patch shortly after it was released.

Blizzard has a great history of competetive gaming, if they can't manage to balance their game as closely as people like to see it, I doubt anyone will in the near future. Saying the game is balanced around PVE is a load of bull. Every class has at least 1 PVP tree and sometimes 1 or more trees which perform in PVE just as well as they do in PVP. A lot of game changes from the last year were based on PVP balance, and most PVE-based changes were done to abilities that usually aren't used in PVP anyway. Not to mention some PVE changes actually made PVP better in some way (think of imp frostbolt coefficient). They don't need to balance the classes around PVE, they can easily balance the bosses around that. They don't make PVE harder or easier by nerfing/buffing class abilities, in the majority of cases it's the encounters/dungeons/itemization that gets changed.

Warhammer is bound to get released shortly before WotLK which will probably do it more evil than good. Age of Conan came in a period where a lot of WoW players were bored. WAR will come right before a game changing expansion which a lot of people have been/are waiting for. A lot of WoW players will probably wait for WotLK before they hop over to WAR, and if WotLK turns out to be good, even if it is for a little while, that will be bad for WAR. Most people think WAR is going to be some sort of assault on WoW's player base, however I personally think WotLK will be more of a threat to WAR than WAR is to WoW.

Also, a lot of people have been playing for over 2-3 years now and some have put a lot of effort into this game. While for some this might be a motivation to start with a clean slate on a new game, I think more people will be held back by this fact.

[morfez]

Wotlk may also bring back players that have quit during the past, because of the whole concept of death knight, Lich King, Northrend, etc.

i preffered more illidan lore than arthas... but different opinions

[Hokuto]

Every new big MMO is a WoW killer now. Used to be AoC until people tested by themselves...

[Hooch]

I think Blizzard will lose some of its player base, but will gain it all back and then some once wotlk comes out.