Really tired of this

[Requiem]

And of course...its sooo much fun being killed while running around like a maniac. Everytime i hear a warlock whine about being killed while not being able to do anything i have to giggle hysterically. Lets see...what is it they kept pointing out "but you can trinket out of fear so its not overpowered" Well...you can trinket out of stunlock...So stunlock isn't overpowered either. I guess it sucks being killed when you cant do a thing about it doesn't it warlocks?

As for whining that Paladins destroy you when you stand still? I know this is a really off the wall concept...but with all the ways that warlocks have to get away from someone,if you cant figure out how to keep a paladin away from you,thats not class imbalance...thats just pure stupidity on your part.

[Taz13]

Its exaclty the rogue/warrior situation that i absolutely detest. Being raped by mellee is the most retarded thing in this game for me. I dont mind losing to a counter class, but being floored in 2 seconds flat is most definatley NOT fun.

If retridins were to do this to me ASWELL as warriors/rogues, i would simply stop playing.

Too much mellee, is simply TOO much to bear, and it simply wouldnt be worth spending money on game time anymore.

I already ordered warhammer, and if wotlk = warlocks are free hk's again, and if warhammer is actually any good. There is no question i will say goodbye to all my guildees (cry), and reroll game.

I WILL NOT pay for a game where my class gets wtfpwned while i am 100% crowd controlled with no escape.

Would you pay for a game like that?

No.

And neither would i.

Have been paying for it since all the alliance qq'd about shamans back in the day with the wf procs....i play a shaman as my main and they are free hk's unless you have a pocket healer.....

[Onizuka]

I am just so sick of all the QQ posts about ret. I mean it is just stupid right off the bat for the following reasons.

1.) the people who post these dont have level 80 characters on beta which is what the abilities are designed around.
2.) they're posting these QQ threads on the actual PALADIN FORUMS what kind of response are they expecting. Its like walking into a club called "the Wu tang hang" wearing sheets and a big pointy hat and giving a speech about how they are stupid and so is rap.
3.) these people dont even play paladins. I mean jeez they have no idea what it is like to be locked down like we use to be.
4.) unless you completely agree with them then somehow your a stupid little kid.
5.) most of these posts aren't even well written. It looks like whoever writes these just wrote the post while they were in the duel with the paladin.
6.) they lost to a paladin in a duel. Hey when blizzard makes duels the new way to get phat epikz and keeps the level cap at 70; then smear peanut butter all over my body and lock me in a room with a wolverine who is completly geeked on speed.
7.) setting aside the fact that these are just duels how many duels did these people even do?
8.) They never link the armory profile of the person they dueled, I can understand that sometimes, but on top of that they dont even link they're own armory profile.
9.) if they really want to show us something and really prove it they will film it then put a link to the video on the post.
10.) I have not seen one post that showed evidence of people actually thinking about it and reading over what they typed up before letting it fly.
11.) ok you know what my fingers are tired if I listed every reason then I would get some really bad carpal tunnel.

AT LAST a reasonable reply...

[dsswoosh]

and kite the fucker

blessing of freedom = unkitable

[exdeath202]

every one who wants to cry acts as if spellsteal auto targets the most useful and desirable buff. Any player got about 5-6 buffs minimun in an arena game, so its about 18% chance spellsteal gets what i want, and that is in a good case scenario, there could be more buffs.

[Morgazm]

Yeah paladins will defend ret forever, but the truth is atm your just a bit too strong.

And no its not overpowered damage, that alone is fine.

its the fact that you can not go oom anymore, can heal well and easily now, and have the burst dps aforementioned.

As a full S3/4 shaman with 400+ resil i was still getting plastered, and before you say "kite them, purge them" i quite obviously did, using cooldowns as well.

Difference is, due to no more downranking it is VERY expensive to frost shock, purge and earthbind now. And unlike paladins i can just judge and get back 20% mana.

You cant even mana burn them anymore, as you would be losing more mana due to every 4 or 5 seconds u spend casting getting off 2 mana burns you do, equals one judge for them.

Defend Ret, attack me for not being good, but Regardless...

Ret is too good atm, due to its amazing ability at mana sustainability, survivability and dps. Not just dps alone.

[Morgazm]

ok... then maybe you'll have to ration your abilities due to mana, or use judgement of wisdom as your judge and things will start to be fair.

But at the moment paladins can go balls to the wall and as soon as they start getting low, heal or bubble/stun/repent heal or whatever they wish with No worries whatsoever about mana.

Thats retarded.

Hunters get 50% less dmg when they are refueling, warlocks lose health, enh can only do it every 3 min, shadowpriests cannot perform any action for the duration, etc etc.

Pallies get the best of all worlds, in fact the only downside they have is sustained dps in a pve environment. but i guess thats a different story in itself

[Thegratefulhead]

OK look...I posted a topic on this in Blizzard forums and it got deleted ASAP. I agree with the OP people get way to upset over this stuff. I have the answer.

Have you seen Good Morning Vietnam? Adrian Cronaur tells Sgt Major Dickerson. You are in more dire need of a "blank" than any white man in history. If you find yourself getting ridiculously upset over another class. GO HOME, talk your significant other and have that taken care of right away. If you never had one.....stop everything you are doing and make that priority one....Trust me...you will feel better and the little shit wont bother you so much.

[Morgazm]

There is a major difference between the replenishment buffs, due to hunters being deep survival which is a pretty terrible spec outside of raids and involves them critting.

shadow priests have to use vampiric touch to gain it, which is not "always" used in pvp.

While yours gives you 20% max mana, and replenishment whenever you judge, which is a 8 second cd.

Not to mention your arguement that when your 77+ your int on gear will go down, that also means your Str, AP, crit, etc will go up, thus increasing your damage.

So you will still be as strong. And if you so wish, you can pick up more gear with int on it, such as hunter/shammy necks/rings/capes for the int combined with melee stats.

And even your example of 'skill' also deems the ret pally having a lack of skill, if hes kiting you and early cs's. Then turn around and run, or find los and heal, as he has no way to stop you now. when he runs back to get back on you, repent, catch up, rape.

I realise you've finally gotten the buff the spec needed, but no amount of "its tuned at 80" and "its fine, you just need skill to kill us now" is going to stop the nerf.

Instead you guys should be letting blizzard know that your burst dps is too much, and that should smooth this out to make you less deadly in pvp and increase your rank on the damage meter in pve.

Or be ignorant, deny everything and get nerfed to oblivion, its your class not mine.

[Raptorg]

it's on PTR so it's not balanced. it will probably be fairly balanced when patch hits and more balanced when expansion releases.

right now ret pallies are overpowered. this is how a ret pally kills you (at 70)

hammer of justice
melee crit 1.5k
seal of command proc crit 2k
judge command crit 2k
divine storm crit 4.5k
instant cast hammer of wrath - dead

way too much all at once. it happens left and right in beta.

SoC : 70% wpn dmg
Divine Storm : 100% wpn damage

2.5k damage difference.. how?
seriously.. the difference in damage is higher then the SoC itself, which causes 70% of Divine Storm's damage

according to what you're saying, Divine Storm should hit for roughly 3.6k, not 4.5k


which is actually a pretty fair number if you're not capable of reducing the damage caused by SoC to a normal number(resilience)
AND considering the abilities are balanced towards level 80

pallies are fine

[dsswoosh]

spellsteal

stun

wyvern sting

fear

skillcoil take 1

purge + frost shock

dispel magic

unholy aura run + wait + chains of ice

run + intercept

gouge


again, skill...and knowing that its about 6 of every 25 seconds that the event can occur. it will take skill to beat a ret paladin, just as it will take skill for the ret paladin to know what other options and reactions he needs to take to get un-kited when HoF is on cd, how to handle the kites of certain classes, and what he can do mid-forbearance against a stunlock.

skill.


skill [ skil ] (plural skills)


noun
Definition:

1. ability to do something well: the ability to do something well, usually gained through training or experience


http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/skill.html

Skill
Noun
Definition :

The ability to do 20k's worth of damage in a few seconds while you are immune in a lolbubble. Skill.

[Salvia]

Skill
Noun
Definition :

The ability to do 20k's worth of damage in a few seconds while you are immune in a lolbubble. Skill.

I can haz a skill?

dont feed the blood elves.

[Mysmere]

i could grind all day on my lock 70 drood 70 huntard 60 all without using one drink/food (other than for pet )...and prolly a few of the other classes i have that i've forgotten about. so i see no problem with this.

[blupp74]

Its exaclty the rogue/warrior situation that i absolutely detest. Being raped by mellee is the most retarded thing in this game for me. I dont mind losing to a counter class, but being floored in 2 seconds flat is most definatley NOT fun.

If retridins were to do this to me ASWELL as warriors/rogues, i would simply stop playing.

Too much mellee, is simply TOO much to bear, and it simply wouldnt be worth spending money on game time anymore.

I already ordered warhammer, and if wotlk = warlocks are free hk's again, and if warhammer is actually any good. There is no question i will say goodbye to all my guildees (cry), and reroll game.

I WILL NOT pay for a game where my class gets wtfpwned while i am 100% crowd controlled with no escape.

Would you pay for a game like that?

No.

And neither would i.

100% crowd controlled, you say? You mean, like with Death Coil, Fear, Seduce, Howl of Terror? All while the DoTs keep ticking? Obviously the people you face and beat still pay for a game like that. But if you no longer want to, no one can stop you.

[skaarrj]

The Excuse of "This will be balance at 80" doesn't fly at all. It's not balance if it only rights itself at 80.

Introduce more ranks of crusader strike and divine storm and tune them down at 70, reintroduce the potent of these abilities at level 80. Same with Seals and Judgements.

[Tachi]

I WILL NOT pay for a game where my class gets wtfpwned while i am 100% crowd controlled with no escape.

SAID THE WARLOCK.

lol

[Croz730]

If retridins can easily beat my warlock, i will retire from this game.

Another mellee raping my arse is too much to bear.

I don't mind retri being a bit overpowered, but warriors/hunters/rogues/retridins/deathknights, all raping me in one second flat doesnt sound like much fun.

Sorry, cant agree with you on this one.

Retridins being op and raping me would be the final nail in the coffin for my lock, and re-roll warhammer or give up mmo's till something better came along is what i will do.

Please, Would some Ret pally just WTFpwn this guy so he leaves WoW and makes all of our lives better.

[Chronos]

The Excuse of "This will be balance at 80" doesn't fly at all. It's not balance if it only rights itself at 80.

Introduce more ranks of crusader strike and divine storm and tune them down at 70, reintroduce the potent of these abilities at level 80. Same with Seals and Judgements.

It does fly. They shouldn't totally change game mechanics to tune for content that will be totally replaced in two months.

If you don't see how this is flawed, please create another thread asking for the people of the forums to explain it to you.

Paladins are just going to have a slight edge until the expansion hits and things all balance out. What is so hard/unfair about this? I'm sorry to have to say this to you (and other paladin whiners), but you should just get over it. If paladins disgust you that much just quit the game for two months...problem solved.













I main a priest.

[wolfpaq777]

If retridins can easily beat my warlock, i will retire from this game.

Another mellee raping my arse is too much to bear.

I don't mind retri being a bit overpowered, but warriors/hunters/rogues/retridins/deathknights, all raping me in one second flat doesnt sound like much fun.

Sorry, cant agree with you on this one.

Retridins being op and raping me would be the final nail in the coffin for my lock, and re-roll warhammer or give up mmo's till something better came along is what i will do.

warlocks have been overpowered in 1v1 duels for the entire duration of the game. Blizzard even said as much. Welcome to an era where every single class is no longer a free hk for you.

lol pathetic child noob gonna be cryin A LOT come xpac time. I hope you reroll or quit and save us all the pain of cleansing your hots and trinketing your fears.

[Kodaks]

lol pathetic child noob gonna be cryin A LOT come xpac time.

On topic:
It's Beta. It's PTR. Cease the worry. Think back to pre-TBC, when the new talents hit back then, and all your woes will disappear.