Really tired of this

[Nordico]

Since the PTR's up i could only read whine posts and watch screamin' ppl sayin' "OMG NERF RETRI, OMFG I CAN'T KILL ANYMORE!!!"

How many of you are tired of this little kids with their fat fingers dirt of chocolate?

I mean... i was dueling a fury warrior, i won... dueled an hunter, got owned... dueled a frost mage, got owned.

Guys, you cannot screm about retri paladins NOW!!! this talents are tuned for lvl 80, that mean EVERY CLASS IS OP!!! not just us.

Since the game came out we spent hours and hours posting on blizzard's forum tryin' to get a fix on all our trees (Holy is still 2 button spamming, protection is ok NOW, retri is fine NOW). Every class got its own "shiny moment"... I can remember warlocks fearing everyone 'till death and kill more than 1 ppl at once. I can remember rogues kiling you while you're still stunned and cannot even push a button... I can remember frost mages with engineering owning almost everybody.
Than TBC came and we assisted on the hyper buff of druids and resto shamans (druids in PVP, resto shamans in PVE), warriors are still a must in arenas, rogues can do almost everything (CC, dps, escape).

This is the point... if you have costructive ideas on why and how ret should be fixed you are free to post... else, if you really want to do something, close yourself inside your closet and cry, cry and cry more, this way at least you'll not bother us.

sorry for my bad english, I'm just an iatlian noob

[dsswoosh]

If retridins can easily beat my warlock, i will retire from this game.

Another mellee raping my arse is too much to bear.

I don't mind retri being a bit overpowered, but warriors/hunters/rogues/retridins/deathknights, all raping me in one second flat doesnt sound like much fun.

Sorry, cant agree with you on this one.

Retridins being op and raping me would be the final nail in the coffin for my lock, and re-roll warhammer or give up mmo's till something better came along is what i will do.

[mrfinch]

If retridins can easily beat my warlock, i will retire from this game.

The Retridins you face currently must be crap then!

[Nordico]

retri palas currectly are OP. they have no problems with mana and they do INSANE ammount of damage in a matter of seconds.

Now add there a: ranged stun lock + self heal + immunity to all damage + cleanse + ranged execute + even more instant hit abilities + cc + anti cc + you prolly get the idea.

There is NO WAY paladins are justified to have all this AND to damage.

what class do you play? 'cause maybe i can show you an easy way to kill us

[skyclops]

you guys are missing a vital point
which is come wotlk offical release
all classes will be balanced out if not
recall early TBC days druids were gods but look what happened
so point being relax take a chill pill wait till offical release & see how it all pans out

[dsswoosh]

recall early TBC days druids were gods but look what happened

They are still gods? In fact THE most op class in the game still.

You are saying we have to wait until the next expansion after wotlk for class balance to happen?

Sorry that you are deluded, but the higher levels classes get and the more talents classes get, the more imbalanced things will be.

[Sulika]

The problem with the tone of this post is that as it stands on live Ret is working very well both for raiding and for PvP. I have raided as Ret up to downing Illidan and on bosses the DPS on live right now is fine. So when you act like the beta changes are the first time Ret has any chance I start to think either you don't know what you are on about or you are lying, neither of which inspires confidence.

As for playing on the PTR, my DPS as Ret has taken a very nice boost. Grinding does seem borderline imba right now, I can grind all day without needing to eat or drink which, while fun, is probably a bit too good to be true. On the other hand my paladin probably has a LOT more mana than will be common in WotLK and this no doubt helps a lot (though of course if having extra mana helps expect Ret paladins to still get some somewhere).

However, I will say that anyone making statements based on duels is daft. Ret has always been a strong dueling class. Front loaded burst and a six second stun will win most duels pretty quickly.

[Hairy Godmother]

Speaking from a beta tester's point of view, there really isn't a single class that is OPOPOP or freshly creamed with nerf-sauce. I'm not saying it's balanced, because it's still utter madness in that department, but I am saying that it's a solid blend of ownage vs gimpiness. No need to worry. Once you have your level 80 spells and abilities, it changes a lot of the gameplay, especially PvP.

[vileguy]

it's on PTR so it's not balanced. it will probably be fairly balanced when patch hits and more balanced when expansion releases.

right now ret pallies are overpowered. this is how a ret pally kills you (at 70)

hammer of justice
melee crit 1.5k
seal of command proc crit 2k
judge command crit 2k
divine storm crit 4.5k
instant cast hammer of wrath - dead

way too much all at once. it happens left and right in beta.

[Iradain]

it's on PTR so it's not balanced. it will probably be fairly balanced when patch hits and more balanced when expansion releases.

right now ret pallies are overpowered. this is how a ret pally kills you (at 70)

hammer of justice
melee crit 1.5k
seal of command proc crit 2k
judge command crit 2k
divine storm crit 4.5k
instant cast hammer of wrath - dead

way too much all at once. it happens left and right in beta.

Eh, getting all of those abilitys to crit and having SoC and HoJ to even hit is like minimal chance so we are not killing people like that.

[jur]

They are still gods? In fact THE most op class in the game still.

You are saying we have to wait until the next expansion after wotlk for class balance to happen?

Sorry that you are deluded, but the higher levels classes get and the more talents classes get, the more imbalanced things will be.

Wrong just wrong. Feral Druids were know to hit as hard as Arms Warriors post BC and pre 2.0.10. In fact, they were scaling very well in at the beginning, and many people were getting upset about this. Blizzard nerfed ferals with the single largest dps decrease in WoW history; taking away any potential Ferals could have reached in arena. This was just as arenas were getting started.

For the rest of season 1 and all of season 2, Druids were very underrepresented in all brackets of arenas. Blizzard buffed Resto Druids slightly at the end of S2; which was enough to sky-rocket them to top of brackets from then on.

You should not post about things you don't know about.

[Sarevokcz]

Wrong just wrong. Feral Druids were know to hit as hard as Arms Warriors post BC and pre 2.0.10. In fact, they were scaling very well in at the beginning, and many people were getting upset about this. Blizzard nerfed ferals with the single largest dps decrease in WoW history; taking away any potential Ferals could have reached in arena. This was just as arenas were getting started.

For the rest of season 1 and all of season 2, Druids were very underrepresented in all brackets of arenas. Blizzard buffed Resto Druids slightly at the end of S2; which was enough to sky-rocket them to top of brackets from then on.

You should not post about things you don't know about.

exactly

there were whines everywhere (including myself) that bears were hitting like trucks with sustaing enormous armor and still having great utility.

too bad, druids didnt scalle past pre S1, and they probably wouldnt even without the nerf, it would just took few more months to overcome their base advantage by simply gearing yourself

[skyclops]

They are still gods? In fact THE most op class in the game still.

You are saying we have to wait until the next expansion after wotlk for class balance to happen?

Sorry that you are deluded, but the higher levels classes get and the more talents classes get, the more imbalanced things will be.

i mean feral not resto

[Flipip]

Everything will be different at 80, just wait till then.

[dsswoosh]

The Retridins you face currently must be crap then!

Well at the moment retridins do hurt warlocks alot, but its very hard for them to get near a lock.

As soon as i get stunned i devour myself so im free again, hit curse of exhaustion to slow them till they hit freedom, then fear them away.

dot dot dot and searing pains drop retris quite fast.

Now im not saying this is balanced, but any melle raping a clothie in 2 seconds flat (like it is in beta atm), is even more imbalanced, and something im not going to tolerate tbph.

[iktankniet]

well yeah. if you let a paladin get close you get raped by him. so dont let him get near to you. simple as that.

im ret offspec and in bg's i can kill about 40% of the locks i face (with pve Bt gear)

[mrfinch]

Well at the moment retridins do hurt warlocks alot, but its very hard for them to get near a lock.

As soon as i get stunned i devour myself so im free again, hit curse of exhaustion to slow them till they hit freedom, then fear them away.

dot dot dot and searing pains drop retris quite fast.

Now im not saying this is balanced, but any melle raping a clothie in 2 seconds flat (like it is in beta atm), is even more imbalanced, and something im not going to tolerate tbph.

Thanks for being perfectly honest. Although being condescending in such a manner doesn't get your point across.

What do you do against the rogues stunlocking and ShS'ing all over the shop then or the warriors that slam off your fear and trinket your Howls for those few seconds they're cooling down. Surely you're losing a good chuck of health there too? Do you tolerate that because it's been going on for ages and it's expected?

Are you just not happy to tolerate a Paladin being able to do damage because you're stuck in the mindset that Ret is a useless tree to spec into and you actually have to use skill to keep them away from you like you do every other melee class?

[rimmer]

this talents are tuned for lvl 80, that mean EVERY CLASS IS OP!!! not just us.

technically they're not tuned for damage output at all, just "talent budget"

[dsswoosh]

Thanks for being perfectly honest. Although being condescending in such a manner doesn't get your point across.

What do you do against the rogues stunlocking and ShS'ing all over the shop then or the warriors that slam off your fear and trinket your Howls for those few seconds they're cooling down. Surely you're losing a good chuck of health there too? Do you tolerate that because it's been going on for ages and it's expected?

Are you just not happy to tolerate a Paladin being able to do damage because you're stuck in the mindset that Ret is a useless tree to spec into and you actually have to use skill to keep them away from you like you do every other melee class?

Its exaclty the rogue/warrior situation that i absolutely detest. Being raped by mellee is the most retarded thing in this game for me. I dont mind losing to a counter class, but being floored in 2 seconds flat is most definatley NOT fun.

If retridins were to do this to me ASWELL as warriors/rogues, i would simply stop playing.

Too much mellee, is simply TOO much to bear, and it simply wouldnt be worth spending money on game time anymore.

I already ordered warhammer, and if wotlk = warlocks are free hk's again, and if warhammer is actually any good. There is no question i will say goodbye to all my guildees (cry), and reroll game.

I WILL NOT pay for a game where my class gets wtfpwned while i am 100% crowd controlled with no escape.

Would you pay for a game like that?

No.

And neither would i.

[mpohagan]

Frankly, I don't care. I feel ret deserves a good 6 months of op-ness. Having spent the last 3 seasons being underpowered on my holy paladin I have no sympathy for classes that have arse-fucked me around the arena for so long. i.e. warlocks in s2, rmp s3 & 4. Now that I've spec'd and geared ret for the xpac its time for some revenge You bastards are gank on sight!

Joking aside, When stats catch up with the damage scaling as you level, clothies will come into their own again. I don't want to see the melee train op-ness at 80 really either, but neither do I want to see ret nerfed to shit because of whining fuckers blowing the state of the spec out of proportion during testing and PTR at level 70, simply because they're whiney fuckers. You know the type. But if you really must, I'll know who to corpse-camp on my sweet as hell hybrid caster (lolheals+dmg=xmas!) boomkin

But finally, seriously, OP for 6 months would be fine by me. If we start off underpowered I have zero faith in blizzard getting it right anytime soon. Took a year with ret in TBC ffs. And before you say "I raided perfectly fine" etc etc, before s3 ret were so under-represented - and shit - it wasn't funny, I don't think anyone can argue with that.

And on a final note: not so much of a lolret right now eh? Suck it, warlocks. The big glowing purple mace.