Shockadin.

[shockpally]

That's a cookie-cutter healing build. What are you on man? Does picking up the holy shock spell make you a shockadin now? When did that memo go out?

Last time i checked 40/00/21 was shockadin all through BC I should know and now Holy/Ret is still Shockadin. What are you on? The only talent that a shockadin takes that healadins dont is Seals of the pure. Everything else is available.

And yes having Holy shock is pretty much what makes you a shockadin. You cant call yourself one without it. Even the 31/xx/xx Spell damage only build has Holy shock.

[Offhand]

OK, I concede that you're just really a clueless healer w/o any concept of the build you claim to be?

So you picked up seals of the pure. Good, soloing is easier for you.

[Gabbo]

I holy shock to steal KBs in BGs to convince myself that I can DPS.
I'm a Shockadin.

[Cacophonous]

All someone has to do is say "Shockadin" and it sends the retards into a frothing rage.

[Offhand]

What does this have to do with anything? No one has every claimed that shockadin is a raid spec, and there are plenty of specs viable in PvP/soloing but not in raids. I guess all the restokin druids and shadowstep rogues had terrible specs because they never got into Sunwell

Mr. Shockpally seems to think this. Not going into an involved PvP discussion. But yes, you don't raid with ShS rogues, restokins, or shockadins. There's a pretty clear line between a PvE or PvP spec. This isn't a case of that but confusion on shockpallys' part because I don't think he knows 51/5/15 is a holy spec.

[Russano]

Last time i checked 40/00/21 was shockadin all through BC I should know and now Holy/Ret is still Shockadin. What are you on? The only talent that a shockadin takes that healadins dont is Seals of the pure. Everything else is available.

And yes having Holy shock is pretty much what makes you a shockadin. You cant call yourself one without it. Even the 31/xx/xx Spell damage only build has Holy shock.

Just for the record, 40/0/21 was vastly inferior to 41/x/x even before this recent patch. Any holy paladin with half a brain that was asked to heal for any raid past say, karazhan would drop 50g and toss that shitty spec.

The fact that you think a 40/0/21 "shockadin" could heal on par with a paladin that had divine illumination is quite laughable, and tells me one of two things: Either you haven't seen any content past karazhan, or you really are just completely oblivious of how your class works.

[shockpally]

Mr. Shockpally seems to think this. Not going into an involved PvP discussion. But yes, you don't raid with ShS rogues, restokins, or shockadins. There's a pretty clear line between a PvE or PvP spec. This isn't a case of that but confusion on shockpallys' part because I don't think he knows 51/5/15 is a holy spec.

Yes. I know full well that 51/5/15 is a Holy spec. Did you know that Shockadin are HOLY. They always have been and always will be. They even wear Holy paladin gear. You and everyone else in this post who have yet to prove that the build i am talking about is in any way gimped in healing or NOT a shockadin build.

[Xephan]

Retribution Paladins are now called Whackadins, because they whack things with two-handed weapons.

Let's argue about semantics, go go go!

[shockpally]

Just for the record, 40/0/21 was vastly inferior to 41/x/x even before this recent patch. Any holy paladin with half a brain that was asked to heal for any raid past say, karazhan would drop 50g and toss that shitty spec.

The fact that you think a 40/0/21 "shockadin" could heal on par with a paladin that had divine illumination is quite laughable, and tells me one of two things: Either you haven't seen any content past karazhan, or you really are just completely oblivious of how your class works.

I did quite well in ZA and SWP with that exact build. I am just good. DI is a fine talent. At the same time the only thing between a 40 point build and a 41 point build is 50g like you said. Since shockadin are healers in instances they have a full healing set so the only thing they ever needed to do if they needed DI was respec.

[shockpally]

Retribution Paladins are now called Whackadins, because they whack things with two-handed weapons.

Let's argue about semantics, go go go!

You are the only one arguing over symantics here. I asked you all to prove that a Holy paladin (shockadin) was in any way gimped in healing. None of you have even done that.

[Adamson]

You are the only one arguing over symantics here. I asked you all to prove that a Holy paladin (shockadin) was in any way gimped in healing. None of you have even done that.

That's because a ret paladin in holy gear can heal well enough. Shockadin is a bastardized spec that has no purpose anymore now that ret is good and holy is 10x better.

The short cooldown on holy shock was such a huge buff to "shockadins" that spec'ing into ret isn't necessary.

[Offhand]

You are the only one arguing over symantics here. I asked you all to prove that a Holy paladin (shockadin) was in any way gimped in healing. None of you have even done that.

No we didn't because you're calling a 51 holy build "shockadin", a spec which goes down holy for shock and then used to go into ret for sanc aura. A build which was never truly useful except for it one in a million RNG crit burst in arena and a complete joke for PvE. You're just a healer using a name commonly associated with something else.

[Xephan]

You are the only one arguing over symantics here. I asked you all to prove that a Holy paladin (shockadin) was in any way gimped in healing. None of you have even done that.

Semantics.

Anyways, there is no gimping issue if you go with the cookie cutter 51/0/20 and 51/5/15 specs. However, this means that a Shockadin is the same thing as a typical Holy Paladin. Soooooo, what is there to argue over other than what you call it?

Holy Paladins usually take Holy Shock. Shockadins spec deep holy. Dur same thing dur.

[shockpally]

No we didn't because you're calling a 51 holy build "shockadin", a spec which goes down holy for shock and then used to go into ret for sanc aura. A build which was never truly useful except for it one in a million RNG crit burst in arena and a complete joke for PvE. You're just a healer using a name commonly associated with something else.

So prove that a 51/xx/xx shockadin build is in any way Not a shockadin since you have completely failed at explaining why shockadin are gimped at Healing. You are the one who is associating a true shockadin with some 31/xx/xx Spell damage build. And that is sad because you have probably been posting against it all this time and didnt know what you are talking about.

[Offhand]

So prove that a 51/xx/xx shockadin build is in any way Not a shockadin since you have completely failed at explaining why shockadin are gimped at Healing. You are the one who is associating a true shockadin with some 31/xx/xx Spell damage build. And that is sad because you have probably been posting against it all this time and didnt know what you are talking about.

Here's the breakdown. When I'm pugging Utgarde and I send someone a tell about what spec they are and you send back "shockadin" instead of holy, you won't get invited. Your just raging all over the place now I can only assume because the servers aren't up yet.

I hate to argue semantics but shockadin is synonymous with a poor dps/healing hybrid spec. Not someone geared fully for healing.

[shockpally]

Here's the breakdown. When I'm pugging Utgarde and I send someone a tell about what spec they are and you send back "shockadin" instead of holy, you won't get invited. Your just raging all over the place now I can only assume because the servers aren't up yet.

I hate to argue semantics but shockadin is synonymous with a poor dps/healing hybrid spec. Not someone geared fully for healing.

You only think it is because you are a spec snob. There is no gear that a "Holy" paladin can wear that a Shockadin cant because they are both PALADIN. Your own ignorance and Hate is what will keep you from inviting a healer to your group who claims to be a Shockadin without asking them what their spec numbers are. There is already a healer shortage on most realms. You will have to have faith in the person you invite when they say they can heal the instance. Instead of having your head up your ass.

Spec snobs like you are the exact reason why people don't pug anymore. I still pug because i have made a lot of friends doing it and Being a shockadin has never bothered them at all because i know what i am doing and i have the gear i need.

[Offhand]

Spec snobs like you are the exact reason why people don't pug anymore. I still pug because i have made a lot of friends doing it and Being a shockadin has never bothered them at all because i know what i am doing and i have the gear i need.

Alternatively, I love pugging groups but running a quick idiot check is what makes 90% of them successful.

[belfpala]

You only think it is because you are a spec snob. There is no gear that a "Holy" paladin can wear that a Shockadin cant because they are both PALADIN. Your own ignorance and Hate is what will keep you from inviting a healer to your group who claims to be a Shockadin without asking them what their spec numbers are. There is already a healer shortage on most realms. You will have to have faith in the person you invite when they say they can heal the instance. Instead of having your head up your ass.

Spec snobs like you are the exact reason why people don't pug anymore. I still pug because i have made a lot of friends doing it and Being a shockadin has never bothered them at all because i know what i am doing and i have the gear i need.

A "shockadin" build, imo, is 31/(0 or 5)/(35 or 40).

Just out of basic curiosity, because I like to know everything related to Paladins, I went on a Talent Calculator with the idea to make my ideal Holy raid spec. Guess what? It came out 51/0/20. Or 51/5/15 if we didn't have a Paladin with Kings. 51/x/y is NOT a "shockadin," it's a straight up Holy build.

You don't get the power to redefine words like "shockadin" to whatever you'd like such words to mean. Sorry.

[Olasko]

I made an account to post on MMO-CHAMPION.COM for the mere fact at how retarded this whole thread is. Shockpally --> You are R tarderd, plain and simple. As a long time member of the paladin community, I don't believe you of all people have the right to rename specs. 51/x/y will forever be known as Deep holy healing tree. It's not the shockadin spec, and stop trying to justify any shockadin spec as viable because that shit was dead before it was even born.

Furthermore there is no telling you that shockadin "heals" are gimped because what you are posting is a HEALING SPEC, not a true blue garbage shockadin spec! lol

And yes if you did tell me that you were a shockadin I wouldn't invite you either. FAIL HARDER!

[belfpala]

I made an account to post on MMO-CHAMPION.COM for the mere fact at how retarded this whole thread is.

Me too, actually.