Agility better option then Str in 3.1?

[Starlaxboy]

So far I have heard both sides of the story. On EJ there has been people proving str was better and agi was better. I thought one of the people on EJ posted Tosk model's, but I'm not sure if that was the pre-3.1 model where str dominated agi.

I'm still currently in debate and would like to hear your thoughts and feelings about the matter.

[Nnmana]

agility with Gore

[Starlaxboy]

I have been thinking the same thing too. Primal Gore and the change to SR seems to have put agi over the edge again. I'm just sure I'm not missing any crazy math. I have a feeling the difference is going to be close, unlike how it was at the start of Wrath.

[baseball]

The only reason why strength was better in 3.0 is that the 2.x AP (depending on buffs like BoK) you got from every point of strength, when multipled by the 40% AP boost in savage roar, overcame the 1.x AP from agility even with the crit bonus factored in. At least, until about 10,000 unbuffed AP.


With SR going to a flat damage increase and primal gore boosting dps from crit chance, agility is a much more attractive stat.

[Lilkirby]

awww =( regem to 16str to 16agi Q_Q.

[Alski]

With SR going to a flat damage increase and primal gore boosting dps from crit chance, agility is a much more attractive stat.

^ this is all you need to read ^

[Elunedra]

The only reason why strength was better in 3.0 is that the 2.x AP (depending on buffs like BoK) you got from every point of strength, when multipled by the 40% AP boost in savage roar, overcame the 1.x AP from agility even with the crit bonus factored in. At least, until about 10,000 unbuffed AP.

no there wan another reason: 30% of our dmg = bleed dmg and that cannot crit thats why str was better.

yet i am hybird so i am gemmed for agi and can pul off 4K dps overall in 25. so ill keep my gems :P

[lostdruid]

imo agility don't scales well and don't justifies socketing over the huge loss of ap that comes with str.
if you want more crit try finding items with more agility or better with crit rating and ofc spec 16 nss in resto.

if you want a comparison to set only
the conqueror's set has 93 agility and 11 crit rating more from valorous. so 1 and something more crit. same number of sockets.
if you want more than 2% crit the answer is not in socketing neither or set. its from other items,talents and buffs.
don't waste 150 or more ap for 1crit. we already have 50crit i think it's obvious blizzard don't want us to go much higher.
and dots crits scale very nice with ap.

[Remle]

Str will still dominate, atm i have max gear and am sitting at 7.4k ap 48% crit 270 hit 12% armor pen and so on. Once you get into the range of 47-50% base crit you are more than high enough. AP affects how much each tick does so you will want to have a nice balance and if you sacrafice for it you will be disappointed. If anyone would like to test it if you go over 50% crit your chance to crit stops taking as much affect. Its better to stay around this lvl and get more AP and stay around hit range which for druids is not as high as rogs and so on. Really you only need 220 or so to be under 1% miss rate which is more than enough for tier 7 content but for uldaur, the same as tier 5/6 in bc, you will need more hit and so on. Once you get above 7k ap however it is also very hard to raise without pushing other stats down. Even stats for feral druid dps would be about 7k ap, 45% crit 220 hit and so on.

One thing to also mention, cat dps atm, no matter how much you stack one stat, is still going to have white hits as your top dmg. So once you reach caps for stats start thinking about haste alittle only ptr at the moment though i pull around 5k dps on dummies alone up for about 3.6-7 range. I am sure I am not the only one looking forward to that and of course tier 8 2 set bonus.

[Paskgotsheal]

Str will still dominate, atm i have max gear and am sitting at 7.4k ap 48% crit 270 hit 12% armor pen and so on. Once you get into the range of 47-50% base crit you are more than high enough. AP affects how much each tick does so you will want to have a nice balance and if you sacrafice for it you will be disappointed. If anyone would like to test it if you go over 50% crit your chance to crit stops taking as much affect. Its better to stay around this lvl and get more AP and stay around hit range which for druids is not as high as rogs and so on. Really you only need 220 or so to be under 1% miss rate which is more than enough for tier 7 content but for uldaur, the same as tier 5/6 in bc, you will need more hit and so on. Once you get above 7k ap however it is also very hard to raise without pushing other stats down. Even stats for feral druid dps would be about 7k ap, 45% crit 220 hit and so on.

One thing to also mention, cat dps atm, no matter how much you stack one stat, is still going to have white hits as your top dmg. So once you reach caps for stats start thinking about haste alittle only ptr at the moment though i pull around 5k dps on dummies alone up for about 3.6-7 range. I am sure I am not the only one looking forward to that and of course tier 8 2 set bonus.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bro you're doing it wrong if white damage is your top damage ability. also screen shots of PTR DPS. Till then you're not really credible. Especially with saying white attacks are your top damaging ability. I think mines 3rd to 4th on the PTR.

On topic. Agility will definitely trump Strength by ALOT come 3.1. Go look at EJ forums. There's a chart showing what's most valuable. And guess what strengths thrid behind Agility and just ahead of Armor Pen.

I wish people would stop talking out of their ass with no proof for it. I'm looking at you lostdruid and Remle.

-Pask

[Kelesti]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bro you're doing it wrong if white damage is your top damage ability. also screen shots of PTR DPS. Till then you're not really credible. Especially with saying white attacks are your top damaging ability. I think mines 3rd to 4th on the PTR.

On topic. Agility will definitely trump Strength by ALOT come 3.1. Go look at EJ forums. There's a chart showing what's most valuable. And guess what strengths thrid behind Agility and just ahead of Armor Pen.

I wish people would stop talking out of their ass with no proof for it. I'm looking at you lostdruid and Remle.

-Pask

Charts like that come from spreadsheets. Spreadsheet values change depending on what your current set up is as far as stats/gear, etc.

[Paskgotsheal]

Charts like that come from spreadsheets. Spreadsheet values change depending on what your current set up is as far as stats/gear, etc.

Even with BiS and all strength white attacks won't be your top damage. Thanks though.

[Kelesti]

Even with BiS and all strength white attacks won't be your top damage. Thanks though.

I agree completely. I was just saying that looking at what one guy put up based on his current gear set (str vs agi) and saying that's 100% true across the board doesn't really apply, ever. I meant nothing so far as white damage being 100% top >.> That's kinda retarded :P

[Avermra]

Str will still dominate, atm i have max gear and am sitting at 7.4k ap 48% crit 270 hit 12% armor pen and so on. Once you get into the range of 47-50% base crit you are more than high enough. AP affects how much each tick does so you will want to have a nice balance and if you sacrafice for it you will be disappointed. If anyone would like to test it if you go over 50% crit your chance to crit stops taking as much affect. Its better to stay around this lvl and get more AP and stay around hit range which for druids is not as high as rogs and so on. Really you only need 220 or so to be under 1% miss rate which is more than enough for tier 7 content but for uldaur, the same as tier 5/6 in bc, you will need more hit and so on. Once you get above 7k ap however it is also very hard to raise without pushing other stats down. Even stats for feral druid dps would be about 7k ap, 45% crit 220 hit and so on.

One thing to also mention, cat dps atm, no matter how much you stack one stat, is still going to have white hits as your top dmg. So once you reach caps for stats start thinking about haste alittle only ptr at the moment though i pull around 5k dps on dummies alone up for about 3.6-7 range. I am sure I am not the only one looking forward to that and of course tier 8 2 set bonus.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[lostdruid]

I wish people would stop talking out of their ass with no proof for it. I'm looking at you lostdruid and Remle.

-Pask

what do you mean by no proof ?
why don't you go to the ptr and test them by yourself guys instead of flaming ? bring some agility and some str gems and do some tests.
there's no point starting a conversation based on a spreadsheet when ptr is there waiting.

[Elunedra]

Bro you're doing it wrong if white damage is your top damage ability.
-Pask

currently on live if u dont count swipe witch is ofc majorly on top the highest single target attac on boss fights is white dmg.

i do remember this was different on PTR.

[Elchampion]

ST is the way to go. With my gear gemmed with st gems my ap was 7419 and crit was 48.18% in cat. When i regemmed for agi my ap 7233 and crit was 50.19. Sorry to every one who says gemming agi is better then gemming st because ur stupid if ur willing to trade 186 ap for only 2.01 crit. ST is the only way to go if u want to max your dsp. If any one wants to see how there stats would changed if they gemmed differently u can use http://chardev.org to play around with ur gear.

[baseball]

ST is the way to go. With my gear gemmed with st gems my ap was 7419 and crit was 48.18% in cat. When i regemmed for agi my ap 7233 and crit was 50.19. Sorry to every one who says gemming agi is better then gemming st because ur stupid if ur willing to trade 186 ap for only 2.01 crit. ST is the only way to go if u want to max your dsp. If any one wants to see how there stats would changed if they gemmed differently u can use http://chardev.org to play around with ur gear.

Please don't call people stupid simply because you don't understand the mechanics of cat druid dps. Given the insane bonuses cats get from crit -- extra combo points being the big one, and rip/rake critting being a second -- and given the diminished scaleability of AP in 3.1 (186 ap doesn't scale by 40% with SR anymore, so it's a flat 13 dps gain), I'd say the difference is well worth it.

The only problem is that you're slightly above the soft crit cap for level 80 mobs.

[Shamb]

ST is the way to go. With my gear gemmed with st gems my ap was 7419 and crit was 48.18% in cat. When i regemmed for agi my ap 7233 and crit was 50.19. Sorry to every one who says gemming agi is better then gemming st because ur stupid if ur willing to trade 186 ap for only 2.01 crit. ST is the only way to go if u want to max your dsp. If any one wants to see how there stats would changed if they gemmed differently u can use http://chardev.org to play around with ur gear.

The ONLY reason str became more important then agi in WotLK is because savage roar boosted it by 40%... It will not do this anymore come 3.1.

So seriously l2p... Actually at some point str does catch up to Agi, but I doubt we'll get there...

[Myth]

The ONLY reason str became more important then agi in WotLK is because savage roar boosted it by 40%... It will not do this anymore come 3.1.

So seriously l2p...

Actually bleeds not being able to crit was also a major factor in Strength being better than Agility....