RET - What to do with those missing talents points

[Kawasaki.gdm]

So i was wandering, what does blizzard want us to do with all those talent point we have left. I mean theres nothing esle interesting that we really need in the other talent trees for PVE:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733

thats our main ret tree for PVE, with leaves 14 points to spend in useless talents?

[belfpala]

thats our main ret tree for PVE, with leaves 14 points to spend in useless talents?

PoJ is a DPS talent (really). Take it.

Might as well get Command in case there are situations where blood is still too much damage.

That leaves 11.

Ask your raiding group if they'd like you to do slightly more healing when needed, or if they'd like you to redirect some damage now and then.

[greatrichie]

I plan to save all my unused talents points and have a tea party with them as my guests of honor. We shall drink Tea and guffaw about the good old days when they were actually useful.

But... http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733 is what I'll be using when 3.1 hits unless they make some more changes.

[kailtas]

what about waiting to it's finnished`?

[Zolsten]

There's really no reason not to fill out on the third tier of the Ret tree. Like you said, we just have a huge surplus of points after getting the important stuff in Ret and +Strength from Prot. In my build I usually get Guardian's Favor and some Divinity to help with Art of War. After that it's a toss up between Divine Sacrifice and Divine Purpose. I know neither of those help in the slightest for your DPS, but you can easily Bubble and use Divine Sacrifice to help your group out a little bit if things get out of hand or something goes awry. I mean it's not like you don't have time to hit those two buttons while DPSing as Ret.

[Kawasaki.gdm]

Right, but they should at least make atractive talents in the other specs for ret take, becose those talents doesnt help at all with my dps.

[Oxid]

You can also give them to me... Ill use them on my mage.

[belfpala]

what about waiting to it's finnished`?

What about testing it out now (public TEST realm, amirite?) and giving feedback that our tree is anemic and our non-ret options uninteresting?

I know neither of those help in the slightest for your DPS, but you can easily Bubble and use Divine Sacrifice to help your group out a little bit if things get out of hand or something goes awry. I mean it's not like you don't have time to hit those two buttons while DPSing as Ret.

Likely the other ret paladin and I will be taking Divine Sacrifice, at least for Ulduar progression. Its usefulness is minimal if there's a lot of raid damage going on. However, an extra panic button to help the tank in other encounters might be worthwhile.

[Zolsten]

Oh yeah. I definitely agree there should be more talents for Ret to pick up and not have to go in to getting extra utility BS. Ret is one of, if not the, only specs that you can fill out every single talent and still have points left over. The upside is you know you're getting everything you can to max your DPS, the downside is you're expected to get the extra crap and probably use it. =P. It's entirely possible they'll add in some talents at some point, but I wouldn't expect Ret to have an obvious place to put their talents in the near future.

[Bjoepie]

I suggest you give a few to arms warriors, I can't get all the talents I need with 71 points. :/

[Ap0calypse]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...0&version=9733 is what I'll go with if nothing new is added talent wise. Fear is a pain in PvP, so I put points in Holy for Unyielding Faith, might be handy in PvE as well if any bosses/mobs fear or disorient.

Better than nothing.

[Tehdweeb]

Too be honest, what I think I will probably do is something like this

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...2&version=9733

Having 3% Haste, 3% damage done, 6% increased healing on 1 aura? Awesome, now my question is does that 6% healing stack with the 5% from Divinity, making it an 11% healing increased, because that's a fairly large buff, at least to yourself / others your casting the heal on.

It would also be pretty awesome for a holy pally to pick up, increasing his heals by 11%..

[superficial]

devo aura won't stack with tree of life, so pretty useless for raiding.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

what about waiting to it's finnished`?

I agree with this guy. Blizzard isn't finished with Pallies yet so its kind of pointles right now to go into elaborate plans on what to do with those extra points.

I don't know if they are going to add any new talents into the Ret tree or not. It's possible the will just put some new talents into the other trees that will make us want to branch out a bit more.

[Merander]

if the trees will be like that whic i cant believe i would spec http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...2&version=9733

its PvE friendly as you can help your raid

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

why skipping seal of command? have i missed something?

Seal of Blood > Seal of Command

[mercutiouk]

It's possible the will just put some new talents into the other trees that will make us want to branch out a bit more.

i see what you did there

[belfpala]

why skipping seal of command? have i missed something?

Seal of blood is already (on live) the PvE seal almost exclusively used on every fight.

Seal of blood will be (on the PTR) even better relative to Command because the recent changes slightly reduce the amount of recoil taken.

The only reason to take Command will be if a certain fight has a gimmick that makes Blood unusable (Prince, for example). No such fight has emerged in Ulduar testing so far. The only current fight where SoB can be bad is Loatheb, but that can be worked around either by self healing, high raid dps, or great healers (or some combination).

Edit: Forgot to mention Gluth. But if you've killed yourself there more than one time, you're just bad.

[DaGhostDS]

Vindication for trash is always useful, divine purpose for pve is kindy usefull for some mob/boss stun and -4% hit on spell is kinda funny to see too, for exemple on Grobbulus lol

Forgot to mention Gluth. But if you've killed yourself there more than one time, you're just bad.

happened 2 time.. ive learned stop dps at 4sec lol

[Adamson]

devo aura won't stack with tree of life, so pretty useless for raiding.

Unless you don't have a resto druid or like on 3drake for example not everyone is near the tree druid

/facepalm