[Bear] Dropping Primal Precision?

[Auroro]

blizzard didn't make saurfang evolve around tanks be hit capped, your going to gain BP if your taunt misses but unless your one unlucky SOB you won't wipe, blood beasts are the real BP generator
how many healers do you run?

Did you know that the Deathbringer was buff dealing with his rune of blood? He gain more health if he stay on the tank that has Rune of blood. I see 14k turn into 21k because he got immune.

That why everyone change their idea with that fight to have two tanks and not just one.

We run five healer and we change one to be DPS and we got Frestgut down, tommarow is Rotface and the Blood wings

[littlepiggy]

he gains more blood power if he hits a tank with the debuff yes, but unless you're already struggling with this encounter it's not crucial that a tank taunts the second they get the debuff, and if one taunt misses you won't wipe.. other than melee getting blood nova and the tanks getting the debuff, saurfang should not generate BP any other way as ranged should be spread out and adds should not melee anyone

but stam shoulder enchants, stam hand enchants, ignoring every socket bonus

honestly compared to other tanks we have crap socket bonus's.. if you like agility then yeah the +6 and +8's are good, but we don't get very many +6 stam and no +9 / + 12 stam like the other tanks which makes them less appealing, especially as stam scales so well and agi really doesn't

[Auroro]

he gains more blood power if he hits a tank with the debuff yes, but unless you're already struggling with this encounter it's not crucial that a tank taunts the second they get the debuff, and if one taunt misses you won't wipe.. other than melee getting blood nova and the tanks getting the debuff, saurfang should not generate BP any other way as ranged should be spread out and adds should not melee anyone

honestly compared to other tanks we have crap socket bonus's.. if you like agility then yeah the +6 and +8's are good, but we don't get very many +6 stam and no +9 / + 12 stam like the other tanks which makes them less appealing, especially as stam scales so well and agi really doesn't

Ummm......

Rune of Blood

Yes it does give him more blood power when he hit a Tank with Rune of Blood. That Part is not the worry part, I talking about "Saurfang's melee attacks leech health from the target. Saurfang is healed for many times amount leeched." Well this is what can wipe a raid when the tank miss their taunt.

[getefix]

4 healers + 1 tank + 20 dps = 1 dead Saurfang.

[littlepiggy]

he gains more blood power if he hits a tank with the debuff yes,

Ummm......

Rune of Blood

Yes it does give him more blood power when he hit a Tank with Rune of Blood.

i honestly forgot about him healing when he melee's, but they did that because people were 1 tanking him.. sure you still have to switch, but it shouldn't wipe you if he gets some heals

[bavarcarus]

the bad ones:

try to taunt festergut after the other tank gets 9 stacks.
have a taunt fail at 4 stacks on putricide

I can't think of any other really bad ones at the moment, but roar will take care of those. I'll gem hit before I get more than 2% off hit cap, and I won't run raids without my growl glyph. The only other choice is maul glyph and I don't care enough about trash to get it.

My guild has blood queen, and the last wing left to kill in 25m if you really think that people can't reason without having killed bosses.

[coño]

At level 80, with Primal Precision (2/2), we now need 131.15995788 (132 effective) Expertise Rating to eliminate enemy Dodge.
At level 80, with Primal Precision (2/2), tanking Bears can now use up to 442.664857845 (443 effective) Expertise Rating to eliminate enemy Parry.

Cut to the chase: New Feral Druid Expertise Rating Cap: 132 Kitties, 443 Bear Tanks.

[Aedh]

A protection paladin might have the 20% attackspeed reduction.

Most I have seen don't bother with it, either because they are clueless nubs and only read the pvp centric parts of the tool tip, or because are thinking, " a warrior, dk or feral can suppy the same debuff"

Supply your own tanking debuffs.

[Sunshine]

Cut to the chase: New Feral Druid Expertise Rating Cap: 132 Kitties, 443 Bear Tanks.

That dodge number is the same as it's always been. That parry number is assuming bosses have 16% parry, whereas I think 14-15% is the more often quoted number. At 15%, it should be 409.875 = 410 expertise rating to eliminate parry.

This is no different than any previous numbers, though.

Supply your own tanking debuffs.

Yeah. Another reason is that a paladin can only apply that debuff on one mob, since they can only have one judgement up at a time. So in a case where there are multiple mobs (twins was the old case, princes or rotface are good current examples), you'd better be able to put it up for yourself.