[Holy] What bracer enchant?

[Taedran]

Right now I'm using +16 intellect to bracers, but be.imba.hu is saying that is it wrong? Is it wrong, or is there something else I should be using?

[Energy]

nope. You're at the right way.

[autodidact31]

nope. You're at the right way.

[Kelesti]

be.imba is generally a bad site (as is wow-heroes, and any sort of site like that, as a whole). Everything's based off of ilvl, not actual contributions or stats. Yes, you're right about +16 Intellect outweighing +30 Spell Power, that's just about all there is to it.

[Firecrest]

I disagree. If you put this in terms of gemming, it would be like being able to trade out your current 20 Int gems for 37.5 SP ones.

Would I trade out all my Int gems for SP that way? Hell no. But you you can bet I'd not be gemming pure Int. So if I can do it here, with my enchant, why wouldn't I? Weapon enchant is even more of a difference. It's like being able to trade out a 20 Int gem for 41 SP. Damn straight I'll take one of those.

Honestly, the difference is minor either way you go and neither is wrong. But, seriously, consider your decisons before you blindly go off doing shit.

[Nemoniel]

Well as paladins dont need that much SP and you can get the most out of your gear go for int on your bracers. Im even using int on my weapon since int contributes in so many ways while SP is just a raw stat.

Int gives you crit, sp and "mp5"/longevity and that is what you need as a tank healer.

[Athenáofc]

at higher ilvl you wont go oom anymore with int stacking so sp gains value, so depending on your gear either sp or int.

[Raiss]

at higher ilvl and raiding naxx 10man you wont go oom anymore with int stacking so sp gains value, so depending on your gear either sp or int.

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its amazing how people say that you won't go OOM when you are full 264+. Of course you are geared, but you should be also running high tier bosses.

[DaGhostDS]

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its amazing how people say that you won't go OOM when you are full 264+. Of course you are geared, but you should be also running high tier bosses.

thats like people doing patchwerk and saying : look ive beaten the dps records!
but Mike no one do that sh** anymore..

[teamkiller]

take it one to two steps further on int gogo bc wep chant and 65 int vanilla flask....WIN! ;D

[Rlyskilled]

Just seems like the spellpower enchants/flasks are more bang for your buck than intellect. Grats on 50k mana I guess though.

[Triston]

30 SP is the better way to go if you ask me. Int is great to gem for but 16 int is the equivalent of a blue gem, where as 30 SP is in between an epic gem and a JC gem. It's personal preference and all, but the throughput from the 30 SP far outweighs a paltry 16 int especially with the decreased benefit of crit.

Well as paladins dont need that much SP and you can get the most out of your gear go for int on your bracers. Im even using int on my weapon since int contributes in so many ways while SP is just a raw stat.

Int gives you crit, sp and "mp5"/longevity and that is what you need as a tank healer.

63 SP is 1000000000000000000x better than 30 int. If you think otherwise that's just silly.

[Xentin]

30 SP is the better way to go if you ask me. Int is great to gem for but 16 int is the equivalent of a blue gem, where as 30 SP is in between an epic gem and a JC gem. It's personal preference and all, but the throughput from the 30 SP far outweighs a paltry 16 int especially with the decreased benefit of crit.

Comparing the stats on an enchant to the quality of a gem is pretty silly way to compare things. It all comes down to whether you have mana problems or not.

To some, an extra 30SP means nothing. I already run double solace so an extra 30SP means nothing to me when I am sitting at 3600 raid buffed. But an extra 16 int is regen I can actually use, albeit small.

63 SP is 1000000000000000000x better than 30 int. If you think otherwise that's just silly.

Again, 63 SP may be awesome to you. I don't know about you, but in our guild we run bare bones healers in our 25s and 10s and I can use all the regen I can get.

For me the regen is essential, even in the form of 30 int. We two heal all ICC10 normal and all ICC10 hardmodes and we don't have a druid for innervate in our group usually.

[Firecrest]

Comparing the stats on an enchant to the quality of a gem is pretty silly way to compare things. It all comes down to whether you have mana problems or not.

At some point in time a larger amount of SP is more valuable than a smaller amount of Int. Making enchant to gem comparisons just helps to put things in perspective so you can make that decision. I disagree with the guy who said that SP enchant is a bazillion times better than Int. It is better, in my opinion, but by a much smaller margin than that. Likwewise, saying that all that matters is regen is not really true either, as you would certainly not enchant 1 Int over 100 SP were that an option.

[Xentin]

At some point in time a larger amount of SP is more valuable than a smaller amount of Int. Making enchant to gem comparisons just helps to put things in perspective so you can make that decision. I disagree with the guy who said that SP enchant is a bazillion times better than Int. It is better, in my opinion, but by a much smaller margin than that. Likwewise, saying that all that matters is regen is not really true either, as you would certainly not enchant 1 Int over 100 SP were that an option.

I disagree.

Comparing Int to SP using gem comparisons is great if each stat is weighted the same.

However we all know for Holy Paladins this is not the case. Int far outweighs Spellpower on all accounts from a stat weight perspective. So comparing Int and Spellpower using a 1:1 comparison and then translating this to gem quality is technically not a valid way to compare the two.

However, you make a good point when you compare 1 intellect to 100 SP. There is a point when the amount of spellpower does outweigh the amount of intellect. I still believe that this is determined by the individual and that it depends on your other gear, current raid content, number/types of other healers in your raid, etc.

[Firecrest]

However, you make a good point when you compare 1 intellect to 100 SP. There is a point when the amount of spellpower does outweigh the amount of intellect. I still believe that this is determined by the individual and that it depends on your other gear, current raid content, number/types of other healers in your raid, etc.

And all I'm saying is that, for some people, bringing the whole thing into gem comparison range makes finding that point much easier as it brings it into more familiar terms.

[Ailesith]

I believe all in all, it depends on the gear you have and what you have enchanted in it and what you have gemmed in it. Contrary to what most say, spell power is important because it counts towards ur top end healz. Gemming intellect is definatly the way to go up untill a point. Yes you do get mp5/crit/spellpower but with the bracer chant and a weapon chant thats almost a 100 spellpower u would be giving up for a little more mana then what it costs for a FoL, a minute amount of spellpower and a minute amount of mp5. If your in dire need of mana, go for the int chants, if your not definatly go for the spellpower. Your top end and upper end healing become extremely important when DP is activated, cutting your healz in half. The more top end healing u can do, the more u can heal with DP up. Think of it like this lets say ur in icc and theres a boss with a 6 minute enrage timer on em. Say for shits and giggles you have DP up 5 times. Thats 75 seconds of that fight ur effective healing is reduced by 50%. In my humble opinion, it is in the best intrest to inflate ur healz as much as you can aside from cooldowns. Thats my 2 cents

[KingCrab]

30 SP is the better way to go if you ask me. Int is great to gem for but 16 int is the equivalent of a blue gem, where as 30 SP is in between an epic gem and a JC gem. It's personal preference and all, but the throughput from the 30 SP far outweighs a paltry 16 int especially with the decreased benefit of crit.

63 SP is 1000000000000000000x better than 30 int. If you think otherwise that's just silly.

You missed something big here: divine plea and the mana regen.
30 int > 63 SP when your SP breaks 3k SP unbuffed, which is actually my case.

in ICC25, you need to sustain your big throughput by using holy light, and also have mana to keep that non-stop.

spell power is only useful if you don't have mad gear.

[KingCrab]

I believe all in all, it depends on the gear you have and what you have enchanted in it and what you have gemmed in it. Contrary to what most say, spell power is important because it counts towards ur top end healz. Gemming intellect is definatly the way to go up untill a point. Yes you do get mp5/crit/spellpower but with the bracer chant and a weapon chant thats almost a 100 spellpower u would be giving up for a little more mana then what it costs for a FoL, a minute amount of spellpower and a minute amount of mp5. If your in dire need of mana, go for the int chants, if your not definatly go for the spellpower. Your top end and upper end healing become extremely important when DP is activated, cutting your healz in half. The more top end healing u can do, the more u can heal with DP up. Think of it like this lets say ur in icc and theres a boss with a 6 minute enrage timer on em. Say for shits and giggles you have DP up 5 times. Thats 75 seconds of that fight ur effective healing is reduced by 50%. In my humble opinion, it is in the best intrest to inflate ur healz as much as you can aside from cooldowns. Thats my 2 cents

if you know when to use your cooldowns, it's easy to overcome the 50% healing penalty.
If you have the 2pc T10 bonus, you will never have problems with the healing penalty.

I've pulled off 84% overhealz with pure int gemming (given it was deliberately done on deathwhisper to test how my mana longevity is). imagine what that's like with SP gemming..

my avg overheal jumps. on saurfang, I can score 5k HPS easily with 4 others doing 4k. overhealing range from 40% - 60% on most of the fights. SP doesn't fix my problem. Int does, and that's how long I can heal.

[Firecrest]

if you know when to use your cooldowns, it's easy to overcome the 50% healing penalty.
If you have the 2pc T10 bonus, you will never have problems with the healing penalty.

Ten bucks says you have no idea how CDs are affected by Plea.

Twenty bucks says that you’re using said CDs to compensate for an entirely overt amount of Plea useage.

Thirty bucks says that you have no idea what the greatest offset to the Plea debuff is (Hint: It’s not a CD or a buff of any kind for that matter).

I've pulled off 84% overhealz with pure int gemming (given it was deliberately done on deathwhisper to test how my mana longevity is). imagine what that's like with SP gemming..

I think what you’re trying to say here is that SP often goes to overheals? Congratualtions, you’ve stated what has been stupidly obvious since pretty much the dawn of Pally healing. However, it does not all always go to overhealing. And it also increases the strength of SS and Val’anyr shields. So it has some value. The discussion here is about how much value that is compared to the value of Int.

my avg overheal jumps. on saurfang, I can score 5k HPS easily with 4 others doing 4k.

Yes, a fight where top heals are decided solely based on who is assigned first mark is totally worthy of epeen flexing. Hey, guess what? I top meters on Fester just by Judging Light. Wanna touch me?

overhealing range from 40% - 60% on most of the fights. SP doesn't fix my problem. Int does, and that's how long I can heal.

No. If you’re only overhealing by 40% (or watching this meter at all in the first place), your problems extend well beyond Int. Stop reactively healing, start using Beacon and figure out where your HL button is.