Warlock pvp

[liquid]

I read a post today named "warrior vs frost mage" and allot of people replied with strats etc about how the warrior could kill the mage, so it made me think of my own.

Afflock vs warrior (any spec/all specs)

I get pwned by warriors as an afflock... fears suck vs them so all I really have is coe and trying to los mixed with using my port.

I dont so much care in bgs as that will depend on bg support, but I really want to get better in arena vs warriors.

I arena with a resto druid (very good player) but the damage output and lack of defenses vs a warrior almost always gets me killed, unless we can take out the healer/other member.

I have stacked the resilience to see how well it helps/hurts me. I am currently 1175 res, 2500(ish) spell power, and 127 spell pen.

Any tips, comments, etc?

I can try and think of a scenario if you need, its just that I was reading at work and thought i might try and see here

Thanks in advance

[Reverrend]

I can say, a really good warrior is ur anti class...

[Ormula]

If you play with a resto druid, you should never, ever, ever have troubles against a warrior. It will be a tad more difficult if he plays with a disc priest or a paladin, but if he's playing with a druid, that should be a game you win.

1: Roots and cylones don't share DRs. Druids will honestly make warriors their bitches. Root three times, cyclone three times, et cetera. Roots can be dispelled, but cyclone can't. And fear him whenever the pressure is too much and he does't have zerker rage up.

2: Never let your pet die. If you aren't specced into Improved Health Funnel, do that. I assume you play the standard 54/17 spec, and if you do and don't have imp health funnel, take the two points out of imp healthstone. Also, try to make your pet /stay in a place that's going to be not LoS of the druid for the most part, and away from you. A good team will fear you and your pet as the druid innervates, and a big thing here is to try to devour magic the druid's innervate, or devour magic a fear, or anything. If you let your pet roam free, it's pretty much going to be a free kill, which makes you a free kill.

3: Save your teleporter for bladestorm, if you can.Bladestorm occurs every 75 seconds (or can). You can teleport every 30 seconds. Be aware that teleporting is the best thing you can do to get out of bladestorm.

4: Pressure, pressure, pressure, mana drain, mana drain, mana drain. Depending on the comp you fight against, it's going to be a mana game between your druid and their healer. Put full dots on both targets, and mana drain the healer. Keep that up, and your druid will win the mana game, by far. Aff/rDr is OP right now, between the buffs to affliction damage and... well, the general overpoweredness of resto druids in 2s. Make sure your druid is specced into IS, and have him throw his two dots on both targets as well. This combined with fears and offensive cyclones will put them way, way behind on healing, and the possibility for a kill is right in front of you (Or, of course, just mana draining)

There are some smaller things, but that's how you win games as Resto druid/affliction, and especially against warrior teams. The warrior shouldn't be able to hit you with all the CC going out on him, and if you keep all your dots on both targets, you will win the mana game.

[Vanquisho]

Resilience will fix everything! afflication is a really nice spec for bgs vs mostly classes unless u want instant burst then u got chaos bolt + conflagrate and incinerate if u spec destro. but it depends alot on how you like to play your class etc.

[wheresmywoft]

First, warriors can be immune to fear 10 seconds every 30 seconds, make him burn zerkers rage and you're free to fear him for the next 20 seconds.

Second, your spell power is a little low.

[Spikeychris]

I read a post today named "warrior vs frost mage" and allot of people replied with strats etc about how the warrior could kill the mage, so it made me think of my own.

Afflock vs warrior (any spec/all specs)

I get pwned by warriors as an afflock... fears suck vs them so all I really have is coe and trying to los mixed with using my port.

I dont so much care in bgs as that will depend on bg support, but I really want to get better in arena vs warriors.

I arena with a resto druid (very good player) but the damage output and lack of defenses vs a warrior almost always gets me killed, unless we can take out the healer/other member.

I have stacked the resilience to see how well it helps/hurts me. I am currently 1175 res, 2500(ish) spell power, and 127 spell pen.

Any tips, comments, etc?

I can try and think of a scenario if you need, its just that I was reading at work and thought i might try and see here

Thanks in advance

Use voidwalker as a pet and dot him up. Stacking resilence is a bad idea stack spellpower and haste (in that order). When he charges you use instant howl of terror. In the time it takes him to pop zerker rage try and get as much distance as you can. When he intercepts death coil him and wait for zerker rage to finish. Then fear him and get range. Once he pops bladestorm teleport away to your teleport spot (which you should choose carefully). Most warriors should be fairly low by this point.

Also remember soul drain will kill a warrior in a single tick when they are <25%.

hope that helps.

[mafio]

I guess your spell power is the main problem. I think stacking resilience as affli is not really useful, full sp/haste will to the job for it.
Of course you need like 1k resi , but i would focus more on spell power. You get heals from your spells and your healer so getting dmged shouldn't be that fatal as in nuke combos.

I play destro though, got over 3.5k sp , 1.1k resi , and I am socketing pure spell power, but it's the same thing with my affli gear.
Warlock with Soul Link is getting pretty low dmg + the Demon armor is useful too.

All in all, i recommed you to get more sp, the resilience will come itself with better gear.

[Galith]

Also remember soul drain will kill a warrior in a single tick when they are <25%.

If a warrior lets you get a drain soul tick they probably back peddle and only fight in battle stance with only a 2h weapon.

[Ormula]

If a warrior lets you get a drain soul tick they probably back peddle and only fight in battle stance with only a 2h weapon.

My relentless warlock has enough haste so that drain soul ticks every ~1.7 seconds. If the druid roots or you fear, there's a good chance the drain soul will get a 9k tick off.

[Galith]

My relentless warlock has enough haste so that drain soul ticks every ~1.7 seconds. If the druid roots or you fear, there's a good chance the drain soul will get a 9k tick off.

Yeah. I was mainly directing this to the guy who sounded like he was talking about a duel scenario. As warlock druid you could definitely pull it off.

[liquid]

Wow.. I guess I really fail at lock pvp (and pvp in general)

So pretty much post 5 to my post I never knew... and somewhat dont understand.

I was hoping to not post my fail lock on here and still get some good answers, but I would rather do better dmg and get more wins then save my pride lol.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...crown&cn=Gaude

I'm not sure how to get a link to the character, so hopefully thats allowed.

So a scenario I will go with would be a priest/war vs my afflock/rdruid.

At opening I will be full buffed and have my pup out(as a standard).
Drop my port at a los location (beside 1 of the 4 pillars, or on the bridge, or at the edge of the platform).
I usually get charged/stunned at the start so I will either: trinket if im really low on hp and howl, or wait the stun out to howl/fear.

I try to get past the first 5-10seconds of a war fight to see how I will be able to play it out, but I drop my cor/coa (sometimes coe.. not always tho) and then I do the same to the healer.

Our team has tried both focusing the war, and focusing the priest.. but both have been tough. With the priest it seems they are good at getting away/keeping their mana up so it just takes too long to effectively kill before the war has full reign on me.

I try my best to keep cor/coa and UA on all the time, while draining life till 25% and using drain soul. I cast haunt whenever its up, and have been learing to cast a bolt when i can to keep their hots down a bit.

But

Basically... the above is all I do... aside from trying to stay alive via running/fear. My druid almost never ever dies before me... even if I'm being cc'd real bad, just because he's quite good with his druid.
The only difference in my playstyle is when I will be trying to drain mana.. so what I will do is coa/cor/UA/haunt and drain mana/fear. I have seen UA drop fear, so at times I will cast fear just before it drops and not recast it so I can drain mana a few times.

I'm so scatter brained in this post so please forgive me for that, its just that there are so many things that can happen and I'm not to good at organising my thoughts in a post lol.

Again, thank you all for the replies.. and please check out my armor (I know my weapon/off hand is an epic fail) to see where I can change.

Oh, and to the 25% ds on a war... I see wars usually at approx 35k and if/when I get them to 22-25% and ds.. I NEVER drop them in a tick (obviously my sp), its usually 2-3 ticks or more I would guess. Do you all really drop a character at 25% in 1-2 ticks??

[fizikz]

You're about 700 spellpower short if being dangerous. I'm not sure black magic is the best choice of enchant.

WG haste shoulders, ICC ring, haste bracers....SP/stam leg armor.

I can't figure out why your haste is so low. I have like 600 on my warlock... and I'm only in relentless set, but I guess I have the weapon/oh/wand with haste too.. I still use the 111 sp wg trinket as well, as even with only 1050 resil I don't feel like I'm dying fast.

take 2 points out of shadow embrace to max out master summoner and eradication. these are both must haves... I don't know how you're running around without a .5 sec resummmon on your pet.

Also, life tap glyph is bad in pvp gear, which has little spirit. I'd suggest one of the following: howl of terror, UA, corruption(my personal choice..this + QD+lots of haste=amazing)

After that, it's just playing right.


edit: if they let you turret damage and all your dots are up, I'd suggest searing pain insted of shadowbolt(or drain life), as it won't get all your spells locked if interrupted (including portal! very bad.)

edit 36463(lol) : it seems like your druid is not keeping the warrior off you at all, with UA up, he should be able to root the warrior (in this hypothetical sutiation, of coruse) without the priest dispelling it, and if he does, just reapply, priest is silenced for 5 sec and just took a shitload of damage with dots on him too - try to get a spell lock on the priest at this point if he casts anything. If the warrior is low (full dots, he should be getting there) have your druid cyclone priest and assist dps...

I could go on forever in this hypothetical match, but it probably wont help much - the thing is, your druid needs to play like a druid, not like a pally with hots - he needs to use his offensive abilities to help you out insted of just healbotting you. work together, you have amazing synergy if played correctly.

and honestly, in 2's, sometimes you just get counter comped. It sucks. but blizz has basically given up on 2's balance, so yea...


Anyways, as I was saying - the most important thing is learning to play together as a team. Get on vent, start communicating.
Hope this helped

edit again: "I have seen UA drop fear" uh...break it you mean? It's really a terrible idea to try to fear something without UA up if you're fearing a dps and their healer can dispel fear. just wasted a DR... It's normally direct damage that breaks fear, not dots. So if anything, get haunt up before fear.

[Ormula]

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Okay, first I'll help you with your armory. You're gemming and enchanting correctly, with the except of your pants, generally you want the Sp/Stam spellthread.

Your spec and glyphs need some work.
The first and basic thing, never ever stop short of 2/2 Master Summoner. If your pet dies, you need to be able to fel dom another one out, with a 0.5 second cast. Also, if you can get out of LoS and summon one with a 6 second cast, that's great too. It's just a bad idea not to get it.
Second, is your pet dying a lot? You're still low in the brackets, and you're undergeared, so I would guess that they eat through Soul Link pretty easily and just kill you. Once you get better gear and you notice them going for your pet more than you, drop 2 points from Imp Healthstone, and put them in Imp Health funnel.
Now for the affliction tree. A couple things jump out at me. First, you only put 2/3 in Eradication. 3/3 is pretty crucial, because when that pops and you reapply Corruption it hurts like hell. Also, 1/2 in Imp Life Tap, which is actually really useful considering we're generally oom in like 60 seconds. Less GCDs life tapping = more damage. And lastly, 5/5 in Shadow's Embrace. To be completely honest, it's not worth 5 points. 5% is an okay buff when you Haunt, and even if you get a Nightfall proc it's up to 10%, but for what? 12 seconds? Those points would be better spent getting 2/2 imp life tap, 3/3 Eradication, and 2/2 Master summoner, while leaving 2 points in there

Your glyph choices are okay, but in general you want to get rid of Life Tap. There are just better options. It gives you 68 spell power, which is... eh. Better options would be Glyph of Howl of Terror, which reduces the cd by 8 seconds, or glyph of Corruption, which gives you double the nightfall procs (that's what I personally use).

What armors are you using? You should get in the habit of switching between Demon Armor and Fel Armor, depending on if a melee is on you. The amount of armor and health-back Demon Armor gives is actually very impressive.


Now, in that match? The druid needs to be chain-rooting, and then chain-cycloning, the warrior. When one has DR immunity, the other should just be off DRs. Warriors are so easy for druids to handle. Between those, just dot up the healer, and then dot up the warrior. Remember to use Glyphed Shadowflame to make him 70% slower, and try to stay within his charge range but out of melee range.

[Yagamoth]

First, warriors can be immune to fear 10 seconds every 30 seconds, make him burn zerkers rage and you're free to fear him for the next 20 seconds.

Second, your spell power is a little low.

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That's compact and good information I'd like to confirm ^^

1. It's simply wrong, that you can't fear a warrior
2. I think, gear is your main problem currently

[PinkSpider]

I can say, a really good warrior is ur anti class...

Warriors are all about gear.

[Evilhealz]

I run 2k 2v2 H paly/warr, and yes Warriors are ANTI warlocks. I have a hard time against our lock teams when the lock fully dots me up and fears me, but im not supposed to let that happen (im the h paly).

Warrs are very succeptible to fear, trust me. Get all your dots up on everyone. If there isnt a UA on the warr, the fear WILL get dispelled. Good luck

[raca]

Have to save your teleport for skillstorm and keep your pet alive. If you aren't using glyph of shadow flame I consider it almost a must for pvp & 2s. If you drop to or below 1/3 or less health pop battlemaster/healthstone macro. Also get mods to show diminishing returns and enemy cooldowns, berserker rage is only up a max of 33% of the time, warriors aren't unfearable by any means.

[liquid]

Now for the affliction tree. A couple things jump out at me. First, you only put 2/3 in Eradication. 3/3 is pretty crucial, because when that pops and you reapply Corruption it hurts like hell. Also, 1/2 in Imp Life Tap, which is actually really useful considering we're generally oom in like 60 seconds.

Eradication I thought only increases your spell casting and doesnt actually act like haste, or am I wrong? Will it act like haste to essentially increase your corruption damage?

In any case the increased haste will help with haunt/ua/fear/sb

What armors are you using? You should get in the habit of switching between Demon Armor and Fel Armor, depending on if a melee is on you. The amount of armor and health-back Demon Armor gives is actually very impressive.

I stay in demon armor... I suppose it might be a bit fail, but I dont find the time to switch back to fel armor and the increased health generation through spells allows my druid to dps more if im fine.

I should think more on switching tho. Do you all swap allot between the two? or just at the beginning when you see what comp your up against.

Again, thank you all for the replies. I will have some fixes done shortly (after i finish work)

[Ormula]

Eradication I thought only increases your spell casting and doesnt actually act like haste, or am I wrong? Will it act like haste to essentially increase your corruption damage?

In any case the increased haste will help with haunt/ua/fear/sb

I stay in demon armor... I suppose it might be a bit fail, but I dont find the time to switch back to fel armor and the increased health generation through spells allows my druid to dps more if im fine.

I should think more on switching tho. Do you all swap allot between the two? or just at the beginning when you see what comp your up against.

Again, thank you all for the replies. I will have some fixes done shortly (after i finish work)

I tunnel vision on my warlock more than I should. I should be switching armors when people are on me, and when no one's on me take advantage of the extra SP from fel armor, but I don't. Definitely use different armors depending on who you're fighting though.

[Ormula]

I used to beat warrior / healer teams quite easily in s2,s3,s4 simply by putting curse of weakness up on the warrior, completely ignoring him (thus making him kinda rage starved), and going straight for their healer.

I have no idea how well it will work in today's arena, but the principle will still be the same.

- Never DoT the warrior, just CoW him, and go straight for their healer.
- If you can survive and kill their healer before you die, then you win.

A 550 attack power reduction is... not very much, when they have ~5.5-6k.