I finally figured out why I don't like BGing on my Lock.

[Saverem]

Finally, after months of PvPing off and on on my Destro I figured out why I find myself pounding on my keyboard whenever I try to BG on him.

They're like Warriors in that put them in a 1v1 situation and they'll blow shit up. But throw another person on me and I'm completely fucked. I have terrible survivability and escapes against 2+ targets. Hell even Warriors are better in 2+ situations because at least they can do some great damage before getting taken down. Where as my Lock only has his AoE stun and a DC before I'm face planted on the dirt.

On my Ele Shaman I can root them all and/or TS and ghost wolf away.
On my Mage I can easily nova, snare, blink, invis for escape.
Even on my DK I can keep alive with DS and CoI them when I want to fuck off.

I got nothing on my Lock most the time. Sure there are situations when I have time to set up a portal in a hard-to-reach location and teleport to safety, but most of the time I don't have the time or location to set one up. My Succy is useless because the people that are on me are usually taking damage from another source. I can't get off a HoT because of the long cast time and interrupts. It gets frustrating when things don't work, it they don't work most of the time.


So that's my rant. If anyone has any advice to make my Lock BG experience less frustrating feel free to post.

[Ashrana]

Go affliction and rape the bigger bgs, especialy AV. Also as affliction you get instand howl of terror, which can save your life.

[Agallochh]

Yeah I think your biggest problem is doing BG PvP as Destro. You'll find a lot better self-healing and survivability tools as Affliction. Destro is great for pvp if you have a dedicated healer helping you. Otherwise, you're just as squishy as a fire mage and you do less damage.

[Plasmids]

As the others have said, Affliction is where the party's at. Most of the time it takes about four Alliance to take me down with 1k resil, demon armor, and soul link up. Not to mention as Aff we have self healing out the ass, which is increased by demon armor. And keeping two targets busy at the same time is cake, just roll fears and and howl with the dots going.

[Agallochh]

As the others have said, Affliction is where the party's at. Most of the time it takes about four Alliance to take me down with 1k resil, demon armor, and soul link up. Not to mention as Aff we have self healing out the ass, which is increased by demon armor. And keeping two targets busy at the same time is cake, just roll fears and and howl with the dots going.

My favorite is a death coil after they trinket a fear

[Peepo]

Finally, after months of PvPing off and on on my Destro I figured out why I find myself pounding on my keyboard whenever I try to BG on him.

They're like Warriors in that put them in a 1v1 situation and they'll blow shit up. But throw another person on me and I'm completely fucked. I have terrible survivability and escapes against 2+ targets. Hell even Warriors are better in 2+ situations because at least they can do some great damage before getting taken down. Where as my Lock only has his AoE stun and a DC before I'm face planted on the dirt.

On my Ele Shaman I can root them all and/or TS and ghost wolf away.
On my Mage I can easily nova, snare, blink, invis for escape.
Even on my DK I can keep alive with DS and CoI them when I want to fuck off.

I got nothing on my Lock most the time. Sure there are situations when I have time to set up a portal in a hard-to-reach location and teleport to safety, but most of the time I don't have the time or location to set one up. My Succy is useless because the people that are on me are usually taking damage from another source. I can't get off a HoT because of the long cast time and interrupts. It gets frustrating when things don't work, it they don't work most of the time.


So that's my rant. If anyone has any advice to make my Lock BG experience less frustrating feel free to post.

every class has their strengths and weaknesses...

as a lock you can do any of the following:

pop metaform - demo only
teleport
howl of terror
death coil
vw sacrifice
healthstones

honestly though it's a bg... wtf are you doing by yourself anyway?... just waiting for a feral druid or rogue to get behind you and 2 shot you?...

[Poesje]

You fail.

-1 Internets

Besides, BG pvp has not been fun since WSG stopped taking 2+ hrs.

+10 Internets!

But in all seriousness: Affli is really fun in bg's, not because it's overpowered but because you can do damage while running around and making use of LoS mechanics, rather than standing still and casting Chaos Bolts and stuff.

[Saverem]

Well, tried Affliction PvP, still hate it. Whats the point of killing someone slowly with DoTs if they going to kill you first?


Nah, I'll just stick to my DK and Ele Shaman for BGs, thanks.

[Agallochh]

Maybe warlock just isn't your thing in general.

It's okay, not everyone is as good as me.

[Plasmids]

Well, tried Affliction PvP, still hate it. Whats the point of killing someone slowly with DoTs if they going to kill you first?


Nah, I'll just stick to my DK and Ele Shaman for BGs, thanks.

Sounds like a gear problem to me honestly. I kill melee before they can even get in range of me with dots and drain life. Most of the time, my corruption and UA will tick just as my haunt hits them, that combined with some nice crits and the following drain life is some unhealthy burst I'd say. But who knows, maybe I just get lucky and only go against bad people.

Oh I forgot to mention in my other post that I also use Voidy most of the time for the bubble and paranoia, and then just pop fel domination and summon felpuppy when facing a caster.

[Slotter]

You must really suck of have terribad gear. I go into any BG and completely faceroll as destro or affliction. I can't tell you the last time I have more deaths than KB's and more often than not I am at a 10/1 KB to Death ratio if not higher.

If 2 people are on me and I have no help, sure I might die, but 2 on 1 "should" be able to kill you unless they really suck or have bad gear. If thats the case shadowfury, trinket, shadowflame, teleport - plenty of ways to stay alive until support comes. If you don't get any support, you will probably die but it's your own fault for being so far away from your team.

I recommend you find a healer and stick to them or the group. If you protect the healer they will likely notice and probably return the favor by throwing heals your way. If you have decent gear and don't completely suck, there is no way you'll do bad if you follow that simple rule. Sure you'll get targeted first by a lot of classes, but if you make use of your abilities you will win more often than not. I look at it as - they aren't targetting me cause im an easy kill, they are targetting me because I will rape them if they leave me alone. Once they realize I know what I'm doing, they typically switch targets or take a severe beating.

[EradicatorSanctuary]

All of the replies pretty much tell you to go affliction and pvp, well that in most cases is " profit " but aswell could be less fun while you can still pop even better results in destruction. I am really not sure how can't you survive against 2+ targets, you can basically keep three with ease. Fear + seduction on 2 targets while you completely destroy your 3rd target. Even if they do break ( seduction mostly since its like poly ) The target still has to reach you. Which would take him aproximately about 4 sec. Now if they are charging in on you and you dont have a portal up anywhere. Pop it where you are and kite them the hell away. Shadowflame glyphed is a very usefull spell and can be very handy in espicially that situation. If u dont have engineering , enchant the 8% speed movement increase on your boots and do as said above ^^
If you have about 1k resilience you should stay alive in those situation long enough to laugh/spit on all of their corpses. Even if u get in a oh shit situation make a macro for ins summ VW and get a 10 k shield. A very useful macro for warlocks that takes all of your pets in consideration , here it is :

#showtooltip
/cast [pet:Voidwalker,combat] Sacrifice; [pet:Voidwalker] Consume Shadows; [pet:Succubus,target=focus][pet:Succubus] Seduction; [pet:Felhunter,button:2,target=player] Devour Magic; [pet:Felhunter] Spell Lock


So what does it do? Explanation --->


Voidwalker- out of combat(consume shadows )
- in combat (sacrifice)

Succubus- seduces your focus target

Felhunter- left click-spell lock your target
- right click-Devour magic your target (Friend or foe) and no target does it to yourself

and whatever pet you have out displays that ability

Forgot to mention that if u glyph soul link + molten skin ( 3/3 talent in destruction tree ) you have 31% reduced dmg with 0 resilience and just add ( im lying to u now but 1k resi is about 25% give or take ) so that adds up to 56% dmg reduction , and now if its a caster attacking you you proc nether protection and that pretty much adds up to 86% dmg reduction from that caster , and since it stacks for each ( fire , shadow , nature.... ) u can have 3 of them up at a time while ur pew pew ing the hell out of them. Well hope this helps bcuz nothing more fun that doing AB or EoS on my destro lllock :>

[Ferm-perm]

I personally hate afflic pvp, It just doesn't make sense to me but destro pvp is the best thing ever with my Succubus glyph

[Yuanrang]

Destruction is a nice spec to relax with on a battleground, but sooner or later, you'll just give up when your immolates get flawlessly dispelled. It's rather surprising that such a core component to the performance of a talent tree does not have dispel resistance. :-\

[moledark]

personaly i like demo for PVP sure you dont have the same burst damage as a destro lock or self healing as a affliction lock but i found the increase to health works and felguards are pretty beasty in PVP and metamorphosis is nice for WSG when i carry the flag

[Saverem]

Yeah, I guess I suck as a Lock. My PvP gear isn't bad, like 5.2k gs, but I only have 700 or so res because some of the gear is PvE.

I never have a portal set up close by because most of BG fights happen as I'm going some where. The portal only works if I'm camping an area and have time to set up, but when say, a base is attacked, I need to get there and there will be no portals to save me when I get attacked.

[meliancill]

sounds like you have some problems.

let me explane


you are not ment to take 2 min finding a perfect spot for a portal.

drop it on the fly kite your target away from it and use it as a distance opener, wait for fear to be on DR let them get on you ( since your far away from your portal ), teleport to your portal ( 40 yard range ) to open some distance. profit.


as for more than one target its a simple matter of math.

if you have 30k hp and your targets each have 25k hp. you are doing 6k damage per 3 seconds to 1 of them and they are doing 8k damage per 3 seconds to you, that normaly means you will die first.

no class should be able to take on 2 equil geared players. however an affliction lock in my opinion is the best at taking out lots of undergeared players at one time. i have never had a problem taking out even 3-4 new players 20k hp at a time.

this is a skill problem on your part imo. you are not using the tools to the best of your obility.

think out side the box. agen. your portal can be somthing you lay even in the middle of a fight, just kite them away and use it like an over powered blink with twice the range.

[Nou]

i wouldnt take the advice of most of these people as most are probably 1600 allstars.

Even without gear destro is a strong 1vX spec

try using shadowflame glyph to slow people, fear them, stun then etc...
then blow the other people up

People saying to use succy are most likely awful since the felhunters silence and devour are probably the best things you have

/cast [target=player,pet:Felhunter] Devour Magic; is the self devour macro which is amazing for a variety of things

[Ravemstr]

I'd like to disagree with everybody, of course, and say that Destro is the shit in bg's. It's much better than Affli imo. A few things to always remember:
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life.
- if going against two targets keep one of them locked and blow up the other one. You have the tools, use them(Fear, Shadowfury, Seduction)
- you're using Succy, use that to keep the second one locked. Having your target stand in one place unable to do anything is better than having them runing around to where you can't re-seduce, fear, shadowfury them.
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life
- always think they have the trinket off cd, always. And always think they're going to trinket your first fear, seduce
- remeber you're Destro and thus gain two things from Shadowflame, the best slow in the game(glyphed) and an instant Conflagrate proc(u do remember you can use Conf after Shadowflame too, not only Immo, right?). Shadowflame, teleport and if they don't get heals you will blow them up before they reach you.
- if you have melee on you, Shadowfury and Fel Dom a Void for Sacrifice then see the one above this
- you have one of the best ways to AOE control someone, Shadowfury, Howl then pick a target and blow them up
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life - yeah, i know, but it's that important!
You can go alone to a base guarded by two guys and kill them both. Shadowfury both of them, lock (Seduce, fear, sf) one, nuke the other.
And you don't need a 2.7k arena rating to do that. I only do casual(yes, that awfull word) pvp but still manage decently. I only do arena for fun with two of my best friends (RL that is) and i'm only at 1k rating with a ele shammy and disc priest...

[Taurei]

I'd like to disagree with everybody, of course, and say that Destro is the shit in bg's. It's much better than Affli imo. A few things to always remember:
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life.
- if going against two targets keep one of them locked and blow up the other one. You have the tools, use them(Fear, Shadowfury, Seduction)
- you're using Succy, use that to keep the second one locked. Having your target stand in one place unable to do anything is better than having them runing around to where you can't re-seduce, fear, shadowfury them.
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life
- always think they have the trinket off cd, always. And always think they're going to trinket your first fear, seduce
- remeber you're Destro and thus gain two things from Shadowflame, the best slow in the game(glyphed) and an instant Conflagrate proc(u do remember you can use Conf after Shadowflame too, not only Immo, right?). Shadowflame, teleport and if they don't get heals you will blow them up before they reach you.
- if you have melee on you, Shadowfury and Fel Dom a Void for Sacrifice then see the one above this
- you have one of the best ways to AOE control someone, Shadowfury, Howl then pick a target and blow them up
- when going for a base always drop your portal when you get there/near. It takes you a second and it will save your life - yeah, i know, but it's that important!
You can go alone to a base guarded by two guys and kill them both. Shadowfury both of them, lock (Seduce, fear, sf) one, nuke the other.
And you don't need a 2.7k arena rating to do that. I only do casual(yes, that awfull word) pvp but still manage decently. I only do arena for fun with two of my best friends (RL that is) and i'm only at 1k rating with a ele shammy and disc priest...

fat part in the quote, Conf does no shit damage from shadowflame.