Dual Wield Elemental Shammies

[Taste It]

So, i've been wanting to do this for a bit, i just need the dagger to drop from BQL10H and now that we get extra talent points and a revamped Enhance tree, it wont be as bad!

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=0Qm4wWoXpw36mT.9dw.shaman

Tell me what you think about Dual Wield Elemental Shammies

[Aoundril]

My first reaction is that I'd rather have earthquake than two weapons. The second thought is that we don't yet know if the cataclysm flametongue spellpower bonus will exceed the spellpower you'd find on a shield by enough to warrant the effort. Third thought was me wondering how unleash weapon interacts with two flametongue's.

[lungo]

Well, I can agree on the earthquake, since its going to be a very interesting spell to have, but one thing you have forgotten, is that even un-imbuned, the amount of spellpower on a weapon vs a shield are many times higher, example: Frozen Bonespike with 836sp and Bulwark of Smouldering Steel with only 110 sp. The main problem will be to find a 1h weapon with spellpower to use in that combination, since close to all in the current game are main hand only...
Regarding unleash weapon, that we need someone from the PTR to confirm that you will get the ingress from both weapon (are it stackable) or only your main hand.

So, if it turns out that there will be some good 1h spell power weapons in Cataclysm and the unleash weapon stacks, then I for one, will try it out. But as this moment, it aren't looking to bright, if you cant even get a useful off hand, fully benefit from unleash weapon and earthquake turns out to be a really awesome spell.

[Kaga]

it would be interested, but probably wouldn't contest normal 1h/oh or staff
BUT the point everyone seems to forget is
there are no one-hand/off-hand spell power weapons at endgame, and there are never likely to be any.

[Aoundril]

To lungo: I was calculating after the assumption that like now there will be no spell power weapons that you can wield in your off-hand in cataclysm and thus the only spell power you could count on from the second weapon would be from the flametongue enchant, the normal enchant and gems if there are any. I believe the op was aware of this lack of offhand sp weapons because he was suggesting a physical dps dagger with decent haste, crit and a red socket.

And like paterson said the likelyhood of there ever being any such offhands in the future is tiny because of how op it would be.

[zcks]

While it may work somewhat decently assuming they don't change the talent tree's again before cataclysm you will never be able to find a caster weapon that works in the off hand. Blizz ran into the problems caused by shamans doing this in wrath beta when most 1h caster weapons did not specify that that were main hand only, thus you had shaman specing into enhance duel wielding caster weapons & wearing either elemental or resto gear.
To put it bluntly they were insanely powerful & blizz rofl stomped them by making all 1h caster weapons main hand only, you could still get a melee 1hander and enchant/gem it but it just would not be worth getting a shield over.

[msdos]

at the end of the day, i'd rather have the extra armor for PVP.

also, people already tried to do ridiculous things with ele and DW and they rectified it long ago by making most/all SP weapons MH.

[Chaoslux]

During WotLK Beta, people came up with an Elemental Shaman dual-wielding spell one hands. It was incredibly overpowered.
What Blizzard did was push Dual-wielding down two tiers, and change ALL spellcaster onehands to Main Hand.

[M4d2m0A]

If I recall the nerf was somewhere near sunwell in TBC. There was a dagger that dropped off of High Warlord Naj'entus called The Maelstrom's Fury. They made all caster weapons main hand only to specifically counter this type of build. Dual-wielding elemental shammies were the only class that would benefit from having 2-1handed spell power weapons so this was a very specific nerf. I dunno maybe it's just me, but if they went through that much trouble to nerf it then, I'm sure they will come up with some way for it to not be worthwhile to go this route. Probably the most logical way would be to make the mastery bonus so powerful that spending enough points in enhance to grab dual wield wouldn't be worth it.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but jesus christ these threads need to stop. This is literally the 4th or 5th thread about dual wielding non-enhance shammies. You could have searched, or even just tried looking on the 2nd page of the forums to see that this has been discussed over and over again.

[Renzokuken]

So, i've been wanting to do this for a bit, i just need the dagger to drop from BQL10H and now that we get extra talent points and a revamped Enhance tree, it wont be as bad!

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=0Qm4wWoXpw36mT.9dw.shaman

Tell me what you think about Dual Wield Elemental Shammies

Blizzard is just not going to allow you to take Rogue daggers in lieu of shields, I'm sorry.

[Mordoran]

all SP weapons are MH only and that wont change.

[waddlez]

this again?

the +sp from ft (if the shields in cata aren't > dwing daggers) is probably not a dps increase over talents you are leaving out in order to get it

but we can only talk about this in 4.0

[Cracka_Bob]

ok so... even IF they bring back caster weapons that can be used in the off hand (which would be dumb but hey, w/e) this would be the build to use assuming gear in cata has a ton of hit lol

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#hEh0qzdhedfzAuVIfo0u

but thats assuming blizz brings back off hand caster weapons and if you can get an insane amount of hit without the talent.... good luck on either part

[GGashok]

I think this is as much supported as 2-handed weapon shamans, you may do it with a green off-handdagger, but it wont work competetive in a raid enviroment. I will be wielding 2handed weaons none the less, just for the sake of the good ol´days.^^

[cubby]

Could you link the item that just dropped for you that initiated this thought process. I ask because I was unaware of any kind of weapon that would trump a shield or other OH after they made all caster 1h weapons MH.

[Taste It]

Could you link the item that just dropped for you that initiated this thought process. I ask because I was unaware of any kind of weapon that would trump a shield or other OH after they made all caster 1h weapons MH.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=51846

i chose this because i don't plan on getting the dagger off of LK25H anytime soon lol.
Enchanting it with 63 Spellpower and putting Flametongue weapon on it already trumps the SpellPower on 277 Bulwark of the Smouldering Steel. Sure, i lose a bit of haste but i get a ton of SP!

[huangzhong9]

Ele shammies are finally getting an aoe, and they are still here trying to get slightly better stats by putting a stat-stick in the off-hand. I don't know if you guyz have noticed this yet, but shamans are a hybrid which can fill many roles, and because of this, the specs contain many extremely useful talents that would hamper anyone of that spec that do not spec into those talents. i am talking about Spell dmg, reduced mana costs and the like. These are put in so that an ele shammy cannot heal as well as a resto shammy, and not for nearly as long either. so with some wasted points in enhancement you are really just doing a double flametongue in an effort to catch up to the ele shammys that are going all the way down the ele spec. It is far to soon to tell, and i may be wrong, but i am also confident that if the dual flametongue thing is actually better, it will recieve a swift nerf. and not one of those at the end of the expansion nerfs like we are getting with WG, a "the following tuesday" kind of nerf.

[Renzokuken]

It is far to soon to tell, and i may be wrong, but i am also confident that if the dual flametongue thing is actually better, it will recieve a swift nerf. and not one of those at the end of the expansion nerfs like we are getting with WG, a "the following tuesday" kind of nerf.

Exactly. There's a reason DW is still in the Enhancement tree, ya know. If blizzard really wanted Ele or Resto to have Dual Wield, they would just make it trainable at lvl 20 like everyone else. I guarantee if Ele/Resto DWing becomes too pervasive, Blizz will be swinging the nerfbat hard and fast.

[Dorkman007]

Well, I like the idea in general, I just don't think that elemental with 2 1-hands is realistic, even for Cataclysm.
A) Nowadays, all (or nearly all) spellpower 1-hands are Main Hand weapons
B) The problem with the shield viability, what is the point of implementing shields with SP bonus if it's only usefull to 1 Specc of 1 class (Holy pala)
I'd love to see a way of implementing this, but I'd still go for using a shield (even if it's just for the looks :P)

[msdos]

no one who PVPs as elemental or resto would choose to DW over the armor of a shield, the whole idea is just ridiculous.