Inconsistant DPS - Please help.

[Deleted]

Hell everyone, i was hoping that some of you here may be able to help me out and give me some advice, first of all - here is the armory link for my character.

eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&cn=Samsonite

At the moment, i am soft capped for Arp using the NES trinket, i am currently pugging ICC 25 each week and trying to get my hands on DBW asap! my intention is as soon as i get it, to regem for ARP and get 100% arp with DBW and Whisperin fanged skull as my trinkets. I also have the full 264 four set, but am only using the Helm and Shoulder at the moment, but carry the 264 t10 chest and legs in my bag, but have found my dps to be lower when using them, which is why i am currently using the non t10 chest and legs. Once i am fully arp capped and have DBW i was planning to use the full four set and see if there was an improvement, i am just not sure about using the 4 set as some people have advised against it. Any advice there on that?

so my main problem at the moment is hitting consistant DPS. its a little up and down at the moment, so id love it if any experts here can help me out and advise any changes on gear, stats etc. I thought i was all set and doing ok at the moment, but my dps suggests otherwise. Thanks a lot guys!

---------- Post added 2010-08-10 at 02:26 PM ----------

Just to add, MMO wouldnt let me post a link, hence the reason the Armory address is like that.

[inzide]

Hello, im not a expert in warriors but i do belive 4 t10 is pretty strong, also i've seen alot of warriors from top guilds using the Agi Ashen Verdict ring instead of the Str one, but im not 100% sure on that.

EDIT: After looking at the Warriors in Paragon, most seems to use the Agi ring.

[Otakira]

Ok I didn't look to hard because I found a few things off the bat 1 yes you're a warrior but grab the AGI verdict ring 2 21Agi + 3% crit damage is better because you only need 1 nightmare tear to activate and 3 36 expertise and you don't really see a problem?

There may be more but I stop looking after that.

[Alianthos]

Did you ever try to do the math yourself ?
/facepalm

You have 25 STR gem. A Arp gem is 20 Arp. 20*25=500.
You have 893 Arp currently. 893+500=1393.

How about start farming red gems and hardcap yourself ?
Oh and, drop the belt and get the Frost agi one. Another 80 Arp here so that you can gem STR / CRIT on yellow slots.

While you're at it, drop the NES (bad bad bad trinket) and get Darkmoon's Grandior instead, or Herlum's War Token (even better).

Now THERE you will notice a massive DPS increase. Why would you wait DBW to gem Arp since you can Hardcap yourself without it ?

Edit : and yes, 4pT10 is a good DPS increase, but it implies that you do know how to use your slam procs. If you just use them randomly, I suggest you check Elitist Jerk's Fury Warrior Compendium. Excellent read.

[Deleted]

hi, yea i did try to work it out and if i use my 4 set, i lose some gem slots, i have now equipped them and have 21 str gems that i can swap to arp- which i work out at 91% , DBW will give 11%i think with the arp from it, this is including the frost belft that i have now equipped also, as i had it in the bank, so if i use that belt,the 4 set, i still the arp from DBW to reach 100% arp, if i get the 11% from DBW - i will have a gem slot spare. i was under the impression that the war token trinket was bad for warriors, i have it and some other gear ive experimented with in my bank.

thanks for the tips, sensed a bit of hostility in your post, i have treid to work it out and thought i am right in what ive wrote above, i appreciate the time and advice, just need some guidance i guess.

also, i never thoguht of changing my ashen ring to the Agi, il look into doin that too then.

[Kysimir]

If your DPS is inconsistent, we need logs, not armory. If your DPS is low, it can be gear or player error; but if there's variation in the DPS you're seeing, then there's variation elsewhere and the only variation possible is error.

So, if you would post a WOL or WMO parse, we can give you a more precise answer.

[Deleted]

i dont have anything like, il look into that, how do i go about it?

my rotation is correct, im using potions of speed and cooldowns on BL`s etc. il look into the logs, but am i right in what ive said so far about Arp and DBW etc? and changing the ashen ring?

Just got sorted with some log recorders, il upload hopefully in the next few days then.

[Deleted]

umm ok, i think ive done it right guys, and was involved in some fights tonight with the guild, this is the link to the log, im not quite sure how to read them and understand everything, but im sure some of you will, and some advice would be appreciated.

wowmeteronline.com/combat/log/1847043

[tet]

rotation should be BT WW GCD1 BT GC2 GC3 then repeat. On your GCDs only use slam if you have 2 saved up slams on GCD1 unless your slam timer is running out. If only one slam saved up then it should always go to GCD2 or 3 unless what I said about the timer. If no slam procs use rend or sunder if you don't have a prot warrior. Rend always does a bit of dmg that can help you get your dps up but I recommend you do it on GCD2 so you can stance dance and recover your rage fast before your rotation starts again. Make sure youre spamming Heroic Strikes all the time unless you are having rage problems. As a rule of thumb just stop when you hit 40 rage.

And by the way like other people have said here: pick up T10 chest and legs otherwise the rotation I just explained does not work (since t10 4pc bonus is the one that allows you to save up 2 slam procs and that's what allows you to get your dps up). Change your meta. Gem all ArP except for just one nightmare tear to activate it. Change your ring to the agi one too. The rest of your gear looks good other than that.

Edit: nvm, your link does work. And yes your dps is rather low.

[Deleted]

yeah thats what i try to do , i havnt been using the 4set yet though. lost out on DBW again last night.

What meta gem should i be using then? il be changing my ring today.

[Fichek]

21agi

[tet]

yeah thats what i try to do , i havnt been using the 4set yet though. lost out on DBW again last night.

What meta gem should i be using then? il be changing my ring today.

You cant do that rotation without 4pc though. And you didn't have it by the time of your original posting, so I'm assuming you did get it after all the advice here. And yes your meta should be Relentless Earthsiege Diamond. The reason to use that meta is because you can gem your entire gear with Arp Gems (all red gems) and use just ONE Nightmare Tear which will cover the entire requisites to have the meta on.

[Deleted]

this is a log from a run tonight where i really struggled with Sindy Heroic, we were using the zerg tactic for her and i was coming bottom of damage done, il link my armory also , where am i going wrong?!?

.wowmeteronline.com/combat/log/1857050

eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khadgar&cn=Samsonite

[Alianthos]

Your probably the only warrior I know, with your level of gear, and ICC experience, that DOESNT gem Arpen.
Congrats ! xD

Unless I read that wrong, 9k DPS on Saurfang 25 with your lvl of gear is pretty bad... Gimme your logs, let me regem your stuff, and I can pull 12k dps easily. Fury is my offspec, I dont have DBW, I dont have WFS either. I dont have Tossk. I'm using Grandior and HWT.

I dont mean to be rude, but why do you STILL come on these forums, yet not listening ? NES is a BAD proc trinket. Gemming straight ARP, even if you end up at 1300 arp rating, would still be a huge DPS improve for you.

But hey, whatever ! Keep waiting the DBW, you're just gimping yourself with these STR gems. You can also farm Banner of victory which would probably get you to hardcap, but since you seem to be lazy with gem switching, i guess you wont do that either ?

[Deleted]

hi, yes, i know ive been a little sutbborn in sticking with my gems, ive now changed a few items like my belt and a ring, and have regemmed almost everything to arp now, i need a few gems which i will get later when we have wg or something to change tokens for honor, which shud take me to about 96%ish arp, leaving me then with no NES, and needing a new trink, i had the war token in my bank which im using until i get something better for me. my armory at the moment show what ive changed, still needing a nightmares tear in my new ring, and still some str gems, both of which il fix later on today, Thanks for the help, sorry for not listening the first time, please have anther look at my armory now bearing in mind il fix the gems later and be on 96%ish arp, il post logs of a raid next week and hopefully my dps and damage done is up!

[tet]

Ok its looking better now. Just 3 more ARP gems to replace the 2 STR ones and the STR+STA one and then a nightmare tear and you'll be good. I wasn't entirely sure if War Token is better than NES for your setup so I took the liberty of uploading it to the most recent Spreadsheet and apparently it is, so rest easy with the trinket selection and good call on Alianthos' part.

Also on your spec make sure you replace the Victory Rush glyph with something like Glyph of Command, especially if there's nobody else that can do Commanding Shout in your raid. Lastly I recommend completely getting 3/3 Imp Cleave. On fights with a ton of adds it will provide very good dps.

I recommend this spec for lichking valkyr slowing duty: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00000000000000

And this spec for everything else: http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...00000000000000

The reason people are speccing Imp Execute now and Imp Rend is because of maximizing dps once you got your rotation down you can throw a rend in between GCDs and boost your dmg even more. It's not recommended if you feel you still need some practice with the BT WW GCD BT GCD GCD rotation though so make sure you practice that rotation well and know where to use those Slams on the GCDs. Once you got that down you can try stance dancing for those rends. Imp execute has been giving some favorable numbers when the target is in execute range but it is kinda hard to manage if you keep spamming HS, therefore you have to manage your rage well during execute range in order to use it.

Anyway good luck.

[Deleted]

Thanks tet and Alianthos! will try out the rotation and spec`s and hopefully next time i raid will see an improvement!! thanks for your time!

[Alianthos]

Yeah, well, good luck and sorry if I was a bit mean, i tend to be like that sometimes

Edit : wow +1k post !

[Martsus]

If you're having inconsistent dps in the PuG's you are in, take a closer note as to wether the boss is sundered or not. In Pugs without warrior tanks most furies just couldn't be arsed to sunder so there I was with my arms warrior, gimping myself into the extreme just to keep up the sunders.

[shand]

buy hellfrozen bonegrinders right now.


o yes P.S. could someone spreadsheet my warrior i dont have excel so i cant do it myself i just want to see if im geared properly at the moment.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...twolf&cn=Aldun