FFS just get rid of Lolwell

[Yewen]

"Lightwell Feedback Needed
While any kind of feedback is helpful to a degree, we are much more interested in the feedback of players who have tried Lightwell in the most recent beta builds than those who just never cared for the talent. We are actively making changes to the spell to see how it plays, so it's important for us to know if the changes are noticeable and fun without that feedback getting buried under the cruft of bad reputation that Lightwell has built up over time. If it's still not cutting it, we're prepared to try something different, but we need a chance to see if that is in fact the case. (Source)"

The way I feel about this is so hard to put into words, but hell, I'll give it a shot.

Blizzard needs to stop with the Lightwell. I mean FFS did the dev that invented the concept sleep with the head dev, and if it cut the guy will tell on the head dev? I mean for freakin sakes Blizzard. Pushing the useless skill on Priests is alittle bit cheap and very annoying. Not one class has this "ability" and we all know DPS is wayyy to focused on DPSing than to have to click on something else, like Lolwell. God damn it, this kind of crap is annoying as shit. I don't understand the intent of them keeping it. If their main concern is to keep every class unique then, for god sakes, there are plenty more ideas out there than this shitty one. If their intent is to make DPS choose rather to live or die, then... they have grossly over estimated the intelligence of DPS out there. And for them to say "Dps will have to more warey about their HP because of Healers Mana concerns" is a fucking joke. Why in the hell are they giving us Life Grip if they think DPS are capable of actually moving away from damage?! Throughout this game they have never given a reason for DPS to be accountable for their actions in raid encounters, other than being in the right spot and the right time. And for those DPS that have been playing this for .. oh.. 4 years, they perhaps can get out of damage if needed, but never have been forced to. (Always room for exceptions)

So my conclusion: Stop asking us feedback for fucking Lightwell, it was and always will be a useless ass talent, and like now, if we didn't have to put a point in there, we NEVER would. And the fact that they're forcing it on us, like a fat guy hitting on a hot girl at a bar, is really sad, and disturbing.

[piggyhoyhoy]

That's it, let it all out. Release the rage.

[Deleted]

Wile i agree with blizzard that they need more feedback regarding this spell i don't understand why they can't just simply trash it. I don't even whant to begin naming how many times they erased spells from classes without any "player" feedback...

Just get rid of it and give holy priests some other spec specific gymstick...Holy Form please !

[Splenda]

To make lightwell useful:

Having a ridiculous range to click it, or not requiring clicking
Not breaking on damage
Heals for an amount worth the mana of placing it down

They've taken steps to make it better, hopefully they listen to feedback and make it even better. I feel it has potential in it somewhere, or maybe I'm just hopelessly optomistic.

[Cluck]

A fascinating portrayal of doing the opposite of what you're asked to do by a perceived authority figure. Do keep up the traditional human behavior.

[Sackman]

I am not certain what the point of this thread is, but I disagree with lolwell's uselessness and I know that if you venture deep into the priest forums you will find some very good arguments for and against it's use and implementation. I don't want to seem like I am trolling so I will see if I can find them for you:

There are some interesting points made in this post, including many veritable arguments in both directions:

"Lightwell thread to end them all!"

This thread is extremely similar to the banned discussion on the "ToC" style lightwell, even so there is some interesting discussion to be had:

"My spin on Lightwell"

Blackmorgrim makes an interesting point about how lightwell may be used in the future, and how it can be used today (last post in the thread):

"Lightwell replacement and possibly a new signature holy ability"

Another interesting discussion with an appropriately named thread:

"Lightwell"

Perhaps you could formulate a better argument than just cursing and complaining about the current iteration and how you have not found a use for it (although many others have?).

[Deleted]

Easy Lightwell.

Make it a bomb like spell with a big cd on it, place it in the middle of the raid comp wich will realese a arcane explosian kind of looking spell every 30ced healing for X ammount to players inside the bubble.

Decreases after X minute.
Done no need to click or anything but a self automating sentry well ah wait to complicated i guess

[Shyzhi]

Maybe if they made Lightwell like the warlocks Healthstones? Where it places alight well for 25 people to take like a "Light Crystal?" that gives you health and such. But iv never ever seen anyone use lightwell in raids :P ever

[Deleted]

Or how about making lightwell exactly like the lightwell in TOC-5? sends little lightrays to heal ppl, if nothing to heal then damages nearby players. Its targettable and destroyable like a shaman's totem.

[Deleted]

In Cata, Lightwell will make the difference between bad and good DPS.

[pickley]

To make lightwell useful:

Having a ridiculous range to click it, or not requiring clicking
Not breaking on damage
Heals for an amount worth the mana of placing it down

They've taken steps to make it better, hopefully they listen to feedback and make it even better. I feel it has potential in it somewhere, or maybe I'm just hopelessly optomistic.

Even better, make it work like the version in ToC, it throws out DoT's or small to average heals to anyone within range that needs health, Maximum of 10 heals. 3/4 min CD. Maybe make it so the heal gives a debuff so that person cannot be healed by Lightwell again for 30 seconds so its not OP in PvP.

[Theprophecy2186]

I don't understand the big deal about lightwell. I think the idea behind a heal that dps can go get themselves is great. Sometimes Healers can't heal everyone all the time, especially at once, lightwell is a perfect way for the dps to help healers out and heal themselves.

Boss do an aoe tick every little bit? put a lightwell near melee and let them click some heals on themselves to relieve the raid damage. Need a common gathering point (sindragosa anyone?)? Put a lightwell down to gather at and ranged can click it every little bit to help counter the aoe dmg.

There's alot of uses for it. While it may not be the most useful tool in every situation, I feel like the hate and negative feedback it's gotten is very unnecessary and only players feeding off of others hate of it. Try the damn spell out in beta and give Blizzard CONSTRUCTIVE feed back for it and shutup.

[Shawaam]

Lightwells current issues are:

Long Cooldown
Huge Manacost
Requires you to change target to use it
It requires you to be in melee range of it to use it
The heal can break on damage and be dispelled
Only 8 charges
Can be destroyed

It's good sides are:
It heals for a decent amount
Can heal people while you are dead.
Can be placed far from you, which can save people before you can get in range to use your "real" heals.

[Sackman]

Or how about making lightwell exactly like the lightwell in TOC-5? sends little lightrays to heal ppl, if nothing to heal then damages nearby players. Its targettable and destroyable like a shaman's totem.

Even better, make it work like the version in ToC, it throws out DoT's or small to average heals to anyone within range that needs health, Maximum of 10 heals. 3/4 min CD. Maybe make it so the heal gives a debuff so that person cannot be healed by Lightwell again for 30 seconds so its not OP in PvP.

This discussion is banned as Blizzard have stated this is never going to happen.

Notice where a moderator explains this in blue text at the top of this post: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ight=lightwell

[oddf3llow]

I've never had any success in using Lightwell. It's a decent enough spell, but whenever I've stuck one down, NOBODY will use it.
I gotta admit, making you (dps players) break target is stupid, and I hope they have/will fix that.

But even if they make it brimmed full of awesomesauce, its main problem is gonna be getting over the stigma and getting people to actually use it.

I honestly think that it'll never happen. I think it's someone's pet spell at Blizzard and they simply refuse to let go, even though they probably should, in favour of something more favourable.

[afrokid53]

yeah get it out... no one likes it- remove from game replace with prayer of mass renew (lol)

nah... i reacon it'll stay and for this reason... if we look at the raid setup and new spells and talent tree builds there sems to be alot of focus on movement and active crowd control based battles... I reacon were gunna find in cata raiding these kinda spells more valuable then they have ever been. Pop a lightwell in group 1, raid heal group 2... i dunno how it'll work but watch this space!

[Lyrix1]

Imo, they should just make it like how Healing Stream Totem heals, heals people within its radius.

[Oweena]

Unless they've already removed the fact you target it when recieving the buff.

Thats the only thing that needs to be changed. You don't need to cater lightwell to idiots that are going to take damage and not consider themselves.

Cataclysm is going to hopefully make DPS think more about what they're doing in a raid such as do I need to use a healthstone,pot,bandage,lightwell right now or are the healers going to be able to keep me up.

[Sackman]

I don't understand the big deal about lightwell. I think the idea behind a heal that dps can go get themselves is great. Sometimes Healers can't heal everyone all the time, especially at once, lightwell is a perfect way for the dps to help healers out and heal themselves.

Boss do an aoe tick every little bit? put a lightwell near melee and let them click some heals on themselves to relieve the raid damage. Need a common gathering point (sindragosa anyone?)? Put a lightwell down to gather at and ranged can click it every little bit to help counter the aoe dmg.

There's alot of uses for it. While it may not be the most useful tool in every situation, I feel like the hate and negative feedback it's gotten is very unnecessary and only players feeding off of others hate of it. Try the damn spell out in beta and give Blizzard CONSTRUCTIVE feed back for it and shutup.

This is the way it was used in TBC, it lost its niche in Wrath because of how little healers had to care about mana, and how they preferred to keep DPS doing DPS while healers consistently spammed out abilities - with the change in model and pacing back to a more TBC style variant Lightwell should find it's place again.

People still don't seem to think about how it can be used to heal yourself - you can continue casting on everyone else, and click the Lightwell next to you without interrupting yourself - thus healing yourself many times for very low mana usage throughout a fight. The fact that very few think of this use makes it a very under appreciated ability. I think someone needs to make a guide "Lightwell and you".

[Oajng]

The way I see it is that Lightwell will be very OP. It heals for a LOT, and it costs barely any mana (Compared to other spells that hit many people). People talking about how it is bad is because they wouldnt even bother using it in cata, even when they are increasing the range and not changing the target when you click it