PvE will be ok, ret is our only dps tree and they'll make sure it will do reasonable damage. PvE mobility is higher than in wrath due to LaotL so i'm not too worried here. It seems they like our new mechanics, so adjusting damage won't be that hard because there's nothing to be redone, just some +% here and +dmg there.
PvP is a whole different thing, sure cleanse buff will help but it won't be enough. I'm seriously thinking about going protret permanently (i like both playstyles atm) since holy doens't suit me much.
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Cleanse ONLY removing snares/roots could be a Huge buff. Stops mages stackign winters chill just to protect the snares etc. Will be realy good from an offensive stand point.
Plate > Leather
Instant cast heals that hit as hard as our HoT's do over extended time > Our HoT's.
Cyclone is the only point you got, but it's a pretty meek reason. Plus I need to shift out to pop it so 3 seconds are lost every time I put it out while repe can just be used though has a cooldown, so I really don't know which to prefer. I guess Cyc is better here.
I know it isn't really your problem and that I'm probably trolling a bit here, but this once against confirms to me that GC has completely forgotten about my spec yet again.
I don't usually go out and say "garbage" like that, but he's completely ignoring the fact that our damage at 80 273 is better than our damage in 85 333 because he rebalanced our rotation to mostly buff our white damage but forgot to change our white damage so it is affected by our weapon damage.
So now our damage is shit and now he's taking the utility ferals have always had, completely forgetting we have it, and shoving it around to the other classes. Most recently? This one. Last time? Recuperate to rogues.
Feeling very sad! =(
Last edited by TheDesertDragon; 2010-10-07 at 11:32 AM.
No it's slightly better, mobility-wise, because magic effects would no longer shield snares. Sounds good on paper against mages, then you realize you'll get snared a second later in the best case. Damage-wise... no comment.
Please don't compare different classes basing your thougths on single ability vs single ability. It doesn't make sense and this is not the right forum section to do that.
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IF now cleanse was to be implemented as snare removal, would it remove the snare from frost bolt? And blast wave?
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there is a glyph for that
http://cata.wowhead.com/item=41104
its not like we are losing anything valuable on the "major glyph" side by using that either.
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Why does every single ret pally ALWAYS use Mages as an example when stating there survivability is low are they aren't viable in arena? I mean honestly, Frost Mages faceroll every melee class.
OT-I agree that Ret does need some sort of gap closer/limited speed-buff but don't think giving a charge is the way to go.
Self cleanse for removing snares? Sounds pr0
I used mages as an example of what the new cleanse could do. Mages cover their snares with a lot of magic debuffs that would be ignored by the new cleanse.
The survivability was put there just to cry more about cleanse not removing dots anymore, it was our best defense after all (not including bubble ofc). It was not aimed at mages, and it was not a complaint about arenas.
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I Really hope they do this to ret paladins, i simply cant stand to pvp at the moment, it seems everybody beats paladins, mages snare us to death, warlocks fear us to death, druids snare and spam us to death, the only class i can pretty much beat is either a warrior, dk or rogue, pretty much every ranged dps class is favored towards them.
... hope....
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One question also, will it despell the snare/root effect directly? that means we wont dispell winter's chill or whatever the frost mage is debuffing us with? That would be indeed great, because wasting 4 GCDs while trying to remove frost nova debuff and failing due to removing the other buff.
Sounds like a buff if it works that way.
it still doesnt fix the fact that our offensive utility sucks. our damage is way too RNG to plan around and we have to spam WOG to keep ourselves up.