Whatever happened to AoE stun like Eadric?

[Taedran]

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=66935

Weren't we supposed to get something similar to that in Cata? Why haven't I heard anything about it in a long time?

[Ronark]

http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=66935

Weren't we supposed to get something similar to that in Cata? Why haven't I heard anything about it in a long time?

It was Blinding Shield, but the re-worked Holy Wrath.

So yeah, we're the only class without a baseline offensive/CC effect, save Turn Evil and HoJ.

[Taedran]

But Holy Wrath doesn't stun everyone. =/ They just made it stun 2 more types of enemies.

Pretty lame.

[nescáfè]

Inc massive ret pala QQ.

Wouldn't this spell be "a bit" op... If there's a suggestion on how to make it plausible, I'm all ears. But I just can't picture it. An AoE cc? Come on, be realistic and get over it. and don't compare it to shadowfury or something similar.

[Ronark]

Inc massive ret pala QQ.

Wouldn't this spell be "a bit" op... If there's a suggestion on how to make it plausible, I'm all ears. But I just can't picture it. An AoE cc? Come on, be realistic and get over it. and don't compare it to shadowfury or something similar.

Howl of Terror? Psychic Scream? Frost Nova? Hand of Gul'dan? Frost Trap?

Yes, there is no such thing as AoE CC.

[nescáfè]

Howl of Terror? Psychic Scream? Frost Nova? Hand of Gul'dan? Frost Trap?

Yes, there is no such thing as AoE CC.

And as I said, you can't compare it to classes who have the defensive cooldowns that paladins have. Do you have any feeling of what balanced means? No, probably not. You are talking about cloth classes. Your argument is ridiculous.

[Taedran]

Yeah, pretty much what Ronark said. A 2 second AoE stun isn't OP at all. We hardly have any CCs compared to most of the other classes.

Edit: I'm sorry Nescafe, either stop trolling or don't reply. What does it matter to you if I am displeased that we don't have the spell anymore? Does it make it hard for you to sleep knowing I am displeased with one small thing? You tell us not to QQ and to get over it, well you should take your own advice and go leave constructive feedback elsewhere.

[pande]

Howl of Terror? Psychic Scream? Frost Nova? Hand of Gul'dan? Frost Trap?

Yes, there is no such thing as AoE CC.

He mentioned these, an aoe stun is NOT the same as frost nova or psychic scream...

[nescáfè]

Yeah, pretty much what Ronark said. A 2 second AoE stun isn't OP at all. We hardly have any CCs compared to most of the other classes.

True, you do not have good cc compared to other classes. But you cannot just look at your cc abilities. And I'm not just talking about your little bubble. You play a paladin, you know what I'm talking about. Your class does not deserve an aoe cc. An interrupt, I can see arguable, but not an aoe cc.

[Ronark]

And as I said, you can't compare it to classes who have the defensive cooldowns that paladins have. Do you have any feeling of what balanced means? No, probably not. You are talking about cloth classes. Your argument is ridiculous.

Warriors and Hunters wear cloth now?
Because armor values on cloth, leather, mail, and plate have not been "normalized"?

Paladins also have VERY little defense as it is. We have plate armor (which helps a bit, but does nothing against magic), a 20% damage reduction cooldown every 60 sec, and Divine Shield for 8 sec every 5 minutes.

How exactly would Blinding Shield have been overpowered, in even the slightest way? I would like to hear your reasoning.

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True, you do not have good cc compared to other classes. But you cannot just look at your cc abilities. And I'm not just talking about your little bubble. You play a paladin, you know what I'm talking about. Your class does not deserve an aoe cc. An interrupt, I can see arguable, but not an aoe cc.

Again, why?

You can call the sky yellow but unless you prove it is, people will see it as blue.

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He mentioned these, an aoe stun is NOT the same as frost nova or psychic scream...

It was a frontal cone blink effect, not a stun.

[Firemist]

Yeah, pretty much what Ronark said. A 2 second AoE stun isn't OP at all. We hardly have any CCs compared to most of the other classes.

Well you are welcome to roll one of those classes if you wish to have AoE CC's. Plus don't Ret Pallys still have Repentance... sure its not baseline nor is it AoE... but making it sound like you have none isn't really truth.

And just in case... to my knowledge at least 1 of the 5 (not sure about frost nova) have to be speced into just like Repentance. If everyone brought everything to the table, what fun would the game be?

[axelnomnom]

And as I said, you can't compare it to classes who have the defensive cooldowns that paladins have. Do you have any feeling of what balanced means? No, probably not. You are talking about cloth classes. Your argument is ridiculous.

Piercing howl

[Nakkí]

Howl & Scream qualify as "hard CC" due to them being fears. Frost Nova & Frost Trap are merely AoE Snares, and do not debilitate players from using abilities altogether.. could be treated as "soft CC" or just as snares. I'd say they don't compare equally to stun effects in strength.

[Taedran]

Adding to what Ronark said, if you want to talk about balanced, tell me how being counterspelled or kicked once and being locked out of 100% of my spells is fair? No other class has such a limit, every caster class can do SOME other school of magic if they're CS'd, but once it happens to use, we're dead. A 2 second AoE stun is not OP.

[nescáfè]

Yeah, pretty much what Ronark said. A 2 second AoE stun isn't OP at all. We hardly have any CCs compared to most of the other classes.

Edit: I'm sorry Nescafe, either stop trolling or don't reply. What does it matter to you if I am displeased that we don't have the spell anymore? Does it make it hard for you to sleep knowing I am displeased with one small thing? You tell us not to QQ and to get over it, well you should take your own advice and go leave constructive feedback elsewhere.

This isn't constructive feedback, this is a ridiculous argument. And as I said, an interrupt for your rets and prots seems reasonable, but not aoe cc.
Note: just because you cannot counter my argument, doesn't mean you have to call me a troll, because I'm not.

[Ciah]

A ret talent that turned Hammer of Justice into AOE Hammer of Justice would have been nice to see. Also I hate Holy Wrath, get rid of the stun part and make it more than a bland AOE (hi consecration) or make it stun everything, this "dragonkin, undead, elementals" thing is kinda arbitrary.

Despite what non-paladins think, "OMG BUBBLE OP!!!!" does not compensate for lacking any other significant cooldown. Plus we have to sacrifice by locking down our only offensive cooldown in order to use it. If mages couldn't use any more cooldowns while they had Hypothermia debuff, they might QQ a bit too.

[Paulosio]

Can't really compare a frost trap aoe slow to an aoe stun. Aoe slow doesn't stop you attacking or healing. Aoe fears are comparable though.

[Firemist]

Adding to what Ronark said, if you want to talk about balanced, tell me how being counterspelled or kicked once and being locked out of 100% of my spells is fair? No other class has such a limit, every caster class can do SOME other school of magic if they're CS'd, but once it happens to use, we're dead. A 2 second AoE stun is not OP.

What other school would you use? I could understand if some of your moves were just melee moves like a warrior but it wouldn't make sense for a paladin to cast any other class of magic other than holy.

[nescáfè]

Adding to what Ronark said, if you want to talk about balanced, tell me how being counterspelled or kicked once and being locked out of 100% of my spells is fair? No other class has such a limit, every caster class can do SOME other school of magic if they're CS'd, but once it happens to use, we're dead. A 2 second AoE stun is not OP.

Well as you say. if you're silenced, you couldn't cast that aoe stun anyway, so what are you trying to argue? Your problem is with your schools of magic, not with your cc abilities.
Which one are you actually arguing?

[cooespooh]

I dunno... the fact that it would have required a shield to use would have made it a bit more interesting and taken it out of the hands of ret paladins. Or at least made them create shield swap macros like warriors have for PVP.