Anime Chat Thread

[Deleted]

Katanagatari lands more into straight-up sad alley to be honest. Maybe not exactly the "everyone dies" kind, but... ;(

Hehe, okay. It does look fantastic and it's definitely been my sort of thing so far, but I'll just have to put it on hold 'til I'm in the zone for it.
I was kind of hoping for it to be like an action-packed, sword-slashing and funky visuals-style Spice & Wolf, but I'm not ready to get any more attached to this story's 'Horo' and see her die tragically! xP

[Windry]

Am I the only one who was really disappointed with the way Shin Sekai Yori turned out?

I loved the show to begin with, but as soon the "fiend" showed up, I felt like the show just went really downhill.

I mean first off, the way Maria and Mamoru's daughter dies is a HUGE PLOT HOLE. "She's not a fiend! She just thinks she's a queer rat. Let's trick her into killing another queer rat so she dies to Death Feedback...." OK, if this were true, how would she be able to use her Cantus to destroy the Giant Hornet's Army? Kimaru stated that he saw her, "Destroy his best warriors as he threw himself into a ditch to escape." Why didn't the Death Feedback kill her then?

Then, the whole idea of a Death Feedback is poorly explained. In episode 3 when they first find the False Min, it shows Saki having a flashback of the priests at the temple hypnotizing her into feeling the Death Feedback. I interpreted this as: Death Feedback is a hypnosis seal that the villagers put on all citizens so that if you kill someone, you die yourself. If this were true, the child raised by queer rats wouldn't have the death feedback hypnosis, which made sense until the last episode...

Furthermore, ALL IT WOULD'VE TAKEN is 1 person to man up and say, "OK, I'm going to kill this Fiend. I know I'll die from Death Feedback, but I'm going to sacrifice myself to save the whole village." Instead, they stand there and tremble in terror as the Child just walks up and kills each and every one of them, one at a time! OR, maybe the Priest at the Sacred Temple could've just unsealed 1 person's Death Feedback and let that person use Cantus to attack the Child.

Next, "We need to kill the Fiend. Go to Tokyo get some Anthrax!" REALLY?! You already have deadly poison gas. WTF. It should've been, "Kimarou, give us your poison gas, we're going to blow it in the wind at the Child."

THEN, the Cantus strength of the Child was bullshit. Take in comparison, Group 1, they went to school to hone their Cantus powers, but at age 14, they couldn't handle a queer rat army without getting fatigue and needing protection. Somehow this 10 year old Child who has no training and just awoke to her powers has complete control, precision, and endurance to accurately kill armies and an entire village full of people? At age 16, no child, other than Shun could handle a single Shadow Cat, but this untrained child has no problem handling ALL Shadow Cats combined...?

Lastly, all the adults in the village were complete retards in the last 5 episodes. Even if the adults didn't or couldn't make a direct attack at the Child, couldn't you... I don't know, create giant pitfalls? Launch boulders in the general direction? At least create a giant wall over and over?

Shisei Kaburagi, "So strong he can use his telekinesis to split the Earth in half," stands there and lets a Child break his body in half too afraid to fight back... Why didn't he just make that hole 100 feet deeper? Or make another hole that she falls again when she climbed out of it?

sigh...

I liked this show, I really did, but the way the writers/director handled the whole "war" and the Child was just terrible.

[Deleted]

Question, what's the relation between KissxSis OVA and anime?

[Sesto]

Episode 8 of Tasogare Otome x Amnesia was pretty damn amazing, loving this series.

[Hemoglobin]

Question, what's the relation between KissxSis OVA and anime?

They're basically the same thing. Just one's an OVA and the other is a finished series. Both are worth checking out. Kiss X Sis is my guilty pleasure lol. Love that show.

[Deleted]

They're basically the same thing. Just one's an OVA and the other is a finished series. Both are worth checking out. Kiss X Sis is my guilty pleasure lol. Love that show.

The same thing as in the same story, characters etc?

[Planetarism]

..So which anime/manga do I also need to add to my must-have's ?? What do y'all recommend ;D It must be seinen/josei. No shoujo/shonen childish crap ;p, already got my fill w/ Bleach etc. (I try to buy & support when it's deserving it's a big list so obv I download some..)


. : : : ANIME/MANGA SEEN : : : .

Princess Mononoke (Mononoke Hime)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Death
Ninja Scroll (Jubei Ninpucho)
Record of Lodoss War
Record of Lodoss War ~ Across the World
The Vision of Escaflowne
Bakunyu Ikki Tousen
Street Fighter
Grappler Baki
Macross Plus
Metropolis
Elfen Lied
Steamboy
Vagabond
Gasaraki
Berserk
Bleach
AKIRA
1999
Gon


. : : : ANIME/MANGA NOT SEEN : : : .

Nausicaa ~ The Valley of the Wind (Kaze no Tani no Naushika)
Howl's Moving Castle (Hauru no Ugoku Shiro)
Castle in the Sky (Tenku no Shiro Rapyuta)
Whisper of the Heart (Mimi wo Sumaseba)
Spirited Away (Chihiro no Kamikakushi)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Rebirth
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The End
Neon Genesis Evangelion II
Ninja Scroll II (Jubei Ninpucho II)
Rurouni Kenshin // Samurai X
Escaflowne ~ Episodes 1-12
Blood ~ Last Vampire
Fist of the North Star
Lone Wolf & Cub
Macross (Other)
Infinite Ryvius
Project ARMS
Vinland Saga
Genocyber
Bio Hunter
Blue Seed
Claymore
Spriggan
Gundam
GUNNM
Arion
Aria
X
X²

[Suicidal Panda]

Then, the whole idea of a Death Feedback is poorly explained. In episode 3 when they first find the False Min, it shows Saki having a flashback of the priests at the temple hypnotizing her into feeling the Death Feedback. I interpreted this as: Death Feedback is a hypnosis seal that the villagers put on all citizens so that if you kill someone, you die yourself. If this were true, the child raised by queer rats wouldn't have the death feedback hypnosis, which made sense until the last episode...

I remembered commenting on this that they were supposedly hypnotized in it back then :P

[Swisted]

Dont recall hearing this song in the show but cant stop listening to it. really really like it

---------- Post added 2013-03-24 at 12:17 AM ----------

..So which anime/manga do I also need to add to my must-have's ?? What do y'all recommend ;D It must be seinen/josei. No shoujo/shonen childish crap ;p, already got my fill w/ Bleach etc. (I try to buy & support when it's deserving it's a big list so obv I download some..)


. : : : ANIME/MANGA SEEN : : : .

Princess Mononoke (Mononoke Hime)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Death
Ninja Scroll (Jubei Ninpucho)
Record of Lodoss War
Record of Lodoss War ~ Across the World
The Vision of Escaflowne
Bakunyu Ikki Tousen
Street Fighter
Grappler Baki
Macross Plus
Metropolis
Elfen Lied
Steamboy
Vagabond
Gasaraki
Berserk
AKIRA
1999
Gon


. : : : ANIME/MANGA NOT SEEN : : : .

Nausicaa ~ The Valley of the Wind (Kaze no Tani no Naushika)
Howl's Moving Castle (Hauru no Ugoku Shiro)
Castle in the Sky (Tenku no Shiro Rapyuta)
Whisper of the Heart (Mimi wo Sumaseba)
Spirited Away (Chihiro no Kamikakushi)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Rebirth
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The End
Neon Genesis Evangelion II
Ninja Scroll II (Jubei Ninpucho II)
Rurouni Kenshin // Samurai X
Escaflowne ~ Episodes 1-12
Blood ~ Last Vampire
Fist of the North Star
Lone Wolf & Cub
Macross (Other)
Infinite Ryvius
Project ARMS
Vinland Saga
Genocyber
Bio Hunter
Blue Seed
Claymore
Spriggan
Gundam
GUNNM
Arion
Aria
X
X²

Oh man some part of me envies you for the emotions you haven't felt for some anime. wanna say your like a rough diamond lol.http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Bleachroxs is my list of completed anime/watching anime, they are all pretty good and you should try a few of them. I highly recomend D.N.Angel ad Tsubasa Chronicles. Some of them are shonen and Shojo but they will cleanse you from your fill with bleach. Helps that they arent all as long

[Hemoglobin]

The same thing as in the same story, characters etc?

Essentially, yes. There's not much story in either though lol. The only thing that really progresses is him working towards getting into a school and the relationship with the sisters. When I first started watching it, I accidentally watched some of the OVAs in between the series and didn't even realize it. Both have the same characters and are essentially the same show.

[Deleted]

..So which anime/manga do I also need to add to my must-have's ?? What do y'all recommend ;D It must be seinen/josei. No shoujo/shonen childish crap ;p, already got my fill w/ Bleach etc. (I try to buy & support when it's deserving it's a big list so obv I download some..)


. : : : ANIME/MANGA SEEN : : : .

Princess Mononoke (Mononoke Hime)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Death
Ninja Scroll (Jubei Ninpucho)
Record of Lodoss War
Record of Lodoss War ~ Across the World
The Vision of Escaflowne
Bakunyu Ikki Tousen
Street Fighter
Grappler Baki
Macross Plus
Metropolis
Elfen Lied
Steamboy
Vagabond
Gasaraki
Berserk
Bleach
AKIRA
1999
Gon


. : : : ANIME/MANGA NOT SEEN : : : .

Nausicaa ~ The Valley of the Wind (Kaze no Tani no Naushika)
Howl's Moving Castle (Hauru no Ugoku Shiro)
Castle in the Sky (Tenku no Shiro Rapyuta)
Whisper of the Heart (Mimi wo Sumaseba)
Spirited Away (Chihiro no Kamikakushi)
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The Rebirth
Neon Genesis Evangelion ~ The End
Neon Genesis Evangelion II
Ninja Scroll II (Jubei Ninpucho II)
Rurouni Kenshin // Samurai X
Escaflowne ~ Episodes 1-12
Blood ~ Last Vampire
Fist of the North Star
Lone Wolf & Cub
Macross (Other)
Infinite Ryvius
Project ARMS
Vinland Saga
Genocyber
Bio Hunter
Blue Seed
Claymore
Spriggan
Gundam
GUNNM
Arion
Aria
X
X²

I'm just going to delegate you to a link to anime-planet I have in my signature. I consider anything I've rated 5/5 a must watch and stuff above 3.5 is more than worth the time. Seeing as about 300 shows from my watched list qualify for the 3.5+ category it'd take a bit too much time to type them out for you in here. :P

Essentially, yes. There's not much story in either though lol. The only thing that really progresses is him working towards getting into a school and the relationship with the sisters. When I first started watching it, I accidentally watched some of the OVAs in between the series and didn't even realize it. Both have the same characters and are essentially the same show.

Oh, so it's just an episodical soft porn/gag show without storyline? Thanks.

[Hemoglobin]

Oh, so it's just an episodical soft porn/gag show without storyline? Thanks.

Basically lol. If you're not expecting more than it really is, it's enjoyable. I'd say it's a lot better than most of your ecchi/harem type shows.

[Sesto]

Finished Tasogare Otome x Amnesia, really loved it. The ending was perfect. Okay, maybe not the part where Yuuko ends up coming back... not sure I liked that. Was funny/happy, but it sorta makes all the emotion beforehand meaningless. I guess it captures the essence of the series, though.

Little Busters episode 24 was good. Interested in seeing how it all ends.

[Zatheyll]

Am I the only one who was really disappointed with the way Shin Sekai Yori turned out?

I loved the show to begin with, but as soon the "fiend" showed up, I felt like the show just went really downhill.

I mean first off, the way Maria and Mamoru's daughter dies is a HUGE PLOT HOLE. "She's not a fiend! She just thinks she's a queer rat. Let's trick her into killing another queer rat so she dies to Death Feedback...." OK, if this were true, how would she be able to use her Cantus to destroy the Giant Hornet's Army? Kimaru stated that he saw her, "Destroy his best warriors as he threw himself into a ditch to escape." Why didn't the Death Feedback kill her then?

Then, the whole idea of a Death Feedback is poorly explained. In episode 3 when they first find the False Min, it shows Saki having a flashback of the priests at the temple hypnotizing her into feeling the Death Feedback. I interpreted this as: Death Feedback is a hypnosis seal that the villagers put on all citizens so that if you kill someone, you die yourself. If this were true, the child raised by queer rats wouldn't have the death feedback hypnosis, which made sense until the last episode...

Furthermore, ALL IT WOULD'VE TAKEN is 1 person to man up and say, "OK, I'm going to kill this Fiend. I know I'll die from Death Feedback, but I'm going to sacrifice myself to save the whole village." Instead, they stand there and tremble in terror as the Child just walks up and kills each and every one of them, one at a time! OR, maybe the Priest at the Sacred Temple could've just unsealed 1 person's Death Feedback and let that person use Cantus to attack the Child.

Next, "We need to kill the Fiend. Go to Tokyo get some Anthrax!" REALLY?! You already have deadly poison gas. WTF. It should've been, "Kimarou, give us your poison gas, we're going to blow it in the wind at the Child."

THEN, the Cantus strength of the Child was bullshit. Take in comparison, Group 1, they went to school to hone their Cantus powers, but at age 14, they couldn't handle a queer rat army without getting fatigue and needing protection. Somehow this 10 year old Child who has no training and just awoke to her powers has complete control, precision, and endurance to accurately kill armies and an entire village full of people? At age 16, no child, other than Shun could handle a single Shadow Cat, but this untrained child has no problem handling ALL Shadow Cats combined...?

Lastly, all the adults in the village were complete retards in the last 5 episodes. Even if the adults didn't or couldn't make a direct attack at the Child, couldn't you... I don't know, create giant pitfalls? Launch boulders in the general direction? At least create a giant wall over and over?

Shisei Kaburagi, "So strong he can use his telekinesis to split the Earth in half," stands there and lets a Child break his body in half too afraid to fight back... Why didn't he just make that hole 100 feet deeper? Or make another hole that she falls again when she climbed out of it?

sigh...

I liked this show, I really did, but the way the writers/director handled the whole "war" and the Child was just terrible.

I'll do this bit by bit..

How I see the "death feedback" is from what I got from the show is it's part of the genes and mutations of the cantus users after the Imperial cantus era, which warped the cantus users more than anything else. Death Feedback is something that is just a part of the cantus, so having cantus and you would have death feedback. When you grow up the death feedback is then warped towards who you know and think you are through teachings and control. If you kill a member of your species the "death feedback" that is already there will then kick in and kill you. The fiend grew up thinking she was a queerat, so the death feedback she was given was towards queerats instead of humans.

She also did not destroy the queerats army one bit. It was stated that she disarmed all of them, making them easy for the other queerats to go in and slaughter. She had never killed a queerat before.

Kiroumaru was scared because he didn't know she couldn't kill a queerat, and being in the center of a battlefield you might not notice all she was doing was disarming as the queerats did the killing. Kiroumaru was just lucky to escape.

As I said in the first paragraph, I think death feedback is something you have from birth, but it is then hypnotized into you what the death feedback will be towards, and in humans cases it would be towards humans. It's just another form of the cantus powers they have.

The brainwashing and lifestyle, and how death feedback worked, would make it so a human couldn't even try to kill another human. When the first fiend came out the fiend had to be killed in a roundabout way, if it was possible to just go in and kill the fiend sacrificing yourself it would have been done before hundreds of others got slaughtered. Instead the fiend had to be killed inadvertently.

Cantus is incredibly powerful. It has the ability to blow away poisonous gas just with a bit of wind, or some other sort of barrier. Likewise she could easily escape and avoid things as measly as traps or boulders.

I think her upbringing was exactly why her cantus was so powerful. Since she was given no control over it the cantus took control of her and she could do stuff others weren't able to do. Think of it as instead of going to school to make your cantus more powerful, you are going to school to control the power you already have, use it in ways you want to, and refine that power. The "fiend" was given none of that, but she still had cantus. She grew up with no school to teach her how to control or use it. Abandoning a child and not teaching the child anything like self control, and the child will end up lashing out at you, to the point of even killing you without meaning to. Self control is the most important thing in this world.

The adults had no way to fight against something that could slaughter them mercilessly. No matter what they did with their cantus, the child had cantus too and could undo anything they did. The cantus humans also aren't anywhere close to as smart as we ourselves are. Their lifestyle and teachings are so restrictive and different that they can't even be seen as humans anymore. They're as much human as the queerats were in the end.

Shisei could have made a hole, but then she could have just floated to the edge of it. In the end all he would end up doing is destroying part of the landscape and doing nothing against the "fiend". Only being able to inadvertently attack her is nothing in strength compared to her being able to go up and rip his head off in just a second.

I also don't see the child as central to the part by any means. She was just in instigator and helper of the queerat rebellion, which was the bigger focus of this story, along with a psychological look at humans and their ideals, weaknesses, and strengths.

[Skelington]

Furthermore, ALL IT WOULD'VE TAKEN is 1 person to man up and say, "OK, I'm going to kill this Fiend. I know I'll die from Death Feedback, but I'm going to sacrifice myself to save the whole village." Instead, they stand there and tremble in terror as the Child just walks up and kills each and every one of them, one at a time! OR, maybe the Priest at the Sacred Temple could've just unsealed 1 person's Death Feedback and let that person use Cantus to attack the Child.

Shisei Kaburagi, "So strong he can use his telekinesis to split the Earth in half," stands there and lets a Child break his body in half too afraid to fight back... Why didn't he just make that hole 100 feet deeper? Or make another hole that she falls again when she climbed out of it?

Zath already answered most of it, but do note that death feedback itself makes them physically ill if they even consider killing a human. Simply put, the only possible way for a human to kill another is if the human in question is unaware as to what they're attacking. In a mass panic like that, a plan to do that is difficult to consider and nigh impossible to work in the end. The feedback is not necessarily able to be sealed and unsealed like cantus, and as far as Skelington knows, there's no indication either way.

Shisei did fight back. He could have held the fiend there for quite some time deflecting his attacks and keeping him occupied. What twisted his spine like that was the fiend's subconscious cantus leak, something that couldn't be predicted nor reliably defended against.

[Zatheyll]

Shisei did fight back. He could have held the fiend there for quite some time deflecting his attacks and keeping him occupied. What twisted his spine like that was the fiend's subconscious cantus leak, something that couldn't be predicted nor reliably defended against.

I was thinking a lot about this. Since in the end it was determined she was not a fiend at all, so would she have subconscious cantus leakage? I was thinking that's what everyone thought it was, but really she just killed him as easily as humans would kill a queerat because her death feedback was different. No matter how powerful a person, you wouldn't be able to circumvent death feedback, and a human extremely weak in cantus would be stronger just for the lack of death feedback towards humans.

[Skelington]

I was thinking a lot about this. Since in the end it was determined she was not a fiend at all, so would she have subconscious cantus leakage? I was thinking that's what everyone thought it was, but really she just killed him as easily as humans would kill a queerat because her death feedback was different. No matter how powerful a person, you wouldn't be able to circumvent death feedback, and a human extremely weak in cantus would be stronger just for the lack of death feedback towards humans.

They all have cantus leakage, just most of it is pushed to outside the holy barrier, and you're probably thinking of karma demons which leak excess. Other than that, it was explicitly stated by Saki and Satoru that that is how the Fiend kills Shisei.

[Zatheyll]

They all have cantus leakage, just most of it is pushed to outside the holy barrier, and you're probably thinking of karma demons which leak excess. Other than that, it was explicitly stated by Saki and Satoru that that is how the Fiend kills Shisei.

Right, I remember that. Though the fiend isn't a fiend, and they didn't realize that until well after they said that, so they could be wrong. If she can kill humans like humans kill queerats, couldn't she just kill him like she killed any other human?

[Skelington]

Right, I remember that. Though the fiend isn't a fiend, and they didn't realize that until well after they said that, so they could be wrong. If she can kill humans like humans kill queerats, couldn't she just kill him like she killed any other human?

It could, easily, but Shisei was countering all of its attacks (which consisted of smashing him with rocks once), and aside from that, it's hard to imagine the guy so powerful he could shatter the world with a snap of his fingers losing just because his opponent had the capacity [I]to[/I] kill him, especially with the capability to survive any potential conscious attacks. Everyone else died to combustion and other simple attacks, but they didn't piss the Fiend off.

---------- Post added 2013-03-24 at 12:05 AM ----------

And the Fiend not being a fiend means absolutely nothing other than a better possible way for them to kill it.

[Sesto]

Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo is funny as hell. Only 3 episodes in and I've literally lol'd multiple times.