Blizzard spent way more time on Paladins than any other class.

[Herald]

All the Paladins specs are performing well.

They all bring adequate tools to fulfill their role as well as raid utility unmatched by any other class.

Prots are easily the strongest tanks. I've yet to see a raid without at least one Prot Pally be as successful as a raid with one or more.

Holy is far ahead in throughput. In a "no contest" kind of way.


Do I think you guys are OP? No. I think Blizzard spent massively more time on Paladins than any other class; they're the only one that's finished.

[Coar]

I'm pretty sure people are complaining about prot paladins having the worst self-healing and whatnot.

But i'm sure that holy paladins will either be brought down to other class's levels, or they will be brought up.

Just have to give it time.

(Ret is balanced)

[BHD]

I'm pretty sure people are complaining about prot paladins having the worst self-healing and whatnot.

But i'm sure that holy paladins will either be brought down to other class's levels, or they will be brought up.

Just have to give it time.

(Ret is balanced)

Blizzard said they wanted Ret to be more offensive, they failed badly. Our damage sucks on targets that die fast because of our massive ramp up time, we barely stand a chance against anything in PvP and we have far too much RNG. Questing is horrible aswell, aggroing 2 or 3 mobs can kill us, even having one mob on me will most likely take me below 50% health. And our 81 ability, Inquisition, is useless. Haven't heard anything about prots, only heard about holy being god-mode soloing everything, PvP-wise.

[Dawon]

I've yet to see a raid without at least one Prot Pally be as successful as a raid with one or more.

I've yet to SEE a raid... i really dont think there is any point trying to make any conclusions at all until more people actually started raiding, gearing, theorycrafting and such... We have little to no data to base any conclusions on atm!

but ... thanx for you stating that you think pallies are well developed by blizzard... dunno tho what you want with the thread, nothing much to discuss unless you want half the community to come screaming that pallies are OP, while the rest says they're not thus starting a flamewar! :P

[Coar]

Blizzard said they wanted Ret to be more offensive, they failed badly. Our damage sucks on targets that die fast because of our massive ramp up time, we barely stand a chance against anything in PvP and we have far too much RNG. And our 81 ability, Inquisition, is useless. Haven't heard anything about prots, only heard about holy being god-mode soloing everything.

- I don't really take PvP into consideration when I evaluate these things, but I guess that's a valid statement.

- And if a bossfight only lasts a few minutes, then does it really matter how much dps is done? It's obviously an easy fight.

[BHD]

- I don't really take PvP into consideration when I evaluate these things, but I guess that's a valid statement.

- And if a bossfight only lasts a few minutes, then does it really matter how much dps is done? It's obviously an easy fight.

I haven't really checked up much about all the new buffs and utilities of other classes, but please answer this, if you could pick a class/spec for a raid.. would you pick a Ret? What can a Ret give you that others can't, seeing as holy and prot seems to be doing fine, if not too good, you could take any of them for our utility. Since utility is all we can give you.

[Coar]

I haven't really checked up much about all the new buffs and utilities of other classes, but please answer this, if you could pick a class/spec for a raid.. would you pick a Ret? What can a Ret give you that others can't, seeing as holy and prot seems to be doing fine, if not too good, you could take any of them for our utility. Since utility is all we can give you.

Why pick any other dps classes if all abilities are not unique to the individual class anymore?

If holy is overpowered then blizzard will either nerf it, or will bring other healing classes up to par, it's not like they are intentionally making holy paladins godly.

[Herald]

Why pick any other dps classes if all abilities are not unique to the individual class anymore?

If holy is overpowered then blizzard will either nerf it, or will bring other healing classes up to par, it's not like they are intentionally making holy paladins godly.

Which goes back to my original point: Paladins are the only class that Blizzard finished before launch.

Let's face it, they released Cata months too early.

[Deleted]

all you have to do is look at blue post for hotfixes over past cpl of months beta included and see to me it seems they must have a whole team working on droods and pallys think there must be just one guy for dks and even hes part time. honestley tho just check posts for tweaks etc results never lie. wtb fairness above the board after all we are all paying 8 buck a month not just pallys.

and to say oh we still got to do work on other classes like GC stated last month ( think his words reffering to DK was : all we done so far with dks was double there damage output we still have to work on the structure. er were still waiting lmaol) it dont work like that the rest will be left in the wind as blizz will soon be moving there resources out of cata and working on new exp and releases.

[Deleted]

1. We barely stand a chance against anything in PvP
2. Questing is horrible aswell, aggroing 2 or 3 mobs can kill us, even having one mob on me will most likely take me below 50% health.
3. And our 81 ability, Inquisition, is useless.

I've been ret from 80-85 and this is all news to me :S

1. The only thing i have a problem with is ferals 1v1 you can crit 50k with HoW (+ Berserk buff) and 30k with WoG its really quite easy to PvP
2. Do you know what WoG is?
3. +30% damage... Useless?

[Herald]

I have to admit it's funny that Inquisition is baseline and only very useful for Prot AoE whereas Rebuke is core mechanic for any class/role, yet is a deep Ret talent.

[Deleted]

I have to admit it's funny that Inquisition is baseline and only very useful for Prot AoE whereas Rebuke is core mechanic for any class/role, yet is a deep Ret talent.

Good point, *Scribbles on paper and hands to you* Take that to blizzard HQ!

[nalle]

Which goes back to my original point: Paladins are the only class that Blizzard finished before launch.

Let's face it, they released Cata months too early.

And yet they said that it took 6 months longer then they originally thought.

[Tirilina]

How is 30 % more holy damage useless? All you really have to do for it to be amazing is to keep it up at all times. Kind of like SnD for Combat Rogues.
But yes we are really dependant of RNG, abit to much.

[almaderp]

I have to admit it's funny that Inquisition is baseline and only very useful for Prot AoE whereas Rebuke is core mechanic for any class/role, yet is a deep Ret talent.

so you are saying +30% dps is useless for ret then... remember ret is a DPS spec

[Ehtnalav]

Questing is horrible aswell, aggroing 2 or 3 mobs can kill us, even having one mob on me will most likely take me below 50% health. And our 81 ability, Inquisition, is useless.

Say whaaa... ?

Inqusition is meant to be used all the time, if you can't keep it, you better start doing so, or you will fail as ret. It has no cooldown, just needs HP.
If you die when you pull 2-3 normal mobs - l2p . If you drop under 50% of health fighting one mob - l2p.
Burn those cooldowns, use Rebuke, use Repetance, glyph holy wraith to stun elementals, cast WoG when you have spare HP.
It's not that hard.

In pvp, we have so many cooldowns, that 1vs1 is a faceroll, nothing stands a chance.

[Deleted]

so you are saying +30% dps is useless for ret then... remember ret is a DPS spec

He is saying its almost useless for the other 2 specs, wheras Rebuke would be very useful for them. So make Rebuke baseline and Inquisition a deep ret talent.

[Bobbojonno]

Blizzard said they wanted Ret to be more offensive, they failed badly. Our damage sucks on targets that die fast because of our massive ramp up time, we barely stand a chance against anything in PvP and we have far too much RNG. Questing is horrible aswell, aggroing 2 or 3 mobs can kill us, even having one mob on me will most likely take me below 50% health. And our 81 ability, Inquisition, is useless. Haven't heard anything about prots, only heard about holy being god-mode soloing everything, PvP-wise.

why would you aggro that many mobs as dps class anyway?

[Coar]

why would you aggro that many mobs as dps class anyway?

In Twilight Highlands for example, on those stupid naga quests where they keep coming up the shore, I died everytime I got four.

Not like were trying to aoe down the mobs, just accidental pulls.

[Bobbojonno]

In Twilight Highlands for example, on those stupid naga quests where they keep coming up the shore, I died everytime I got four.

Not like were trying to aoe down the mobs, just accidental pulls.

be more carefull.... WotLK is finished... this is CATACLYSM... mobs hurt