Good thing were getting buffed.

[staticflare]

Because http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/dtb/all/11/0/3 Is just sad.

[Borigrad]

this look no different then the last 6 years. Read this next part carefully

A CLASS DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOP DPS TO BE IMPORTANT, ret fits that role where they can be the most important part of a raid if the person playing ret uses all their cooldowns effectivly.

[Requital]

this look no different then the last 6 years. Read this next part carefully

A CLASS DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOP DPS TO BE IMPORTANT, ret fits that role where they can be the most important part of a raid if the person playing ret uses all their cooldowns effectivly.

Ret does not currently fit a Raid role other than bench warmer and this is most definitely different than the past 4 years.

[Borigrad]

Ret does not currently fit a Raid role other than bench warmer and this is most definitely different than the past 4 years.

true, so let me correct myself, ret should fit these roles, and what i meant by doesn't look any different, Hunters/locks and rogues top of the meters before ret pallies get BiS.

[fonzatron2000]

Interrupts buffs and hands are 100% useless..

[Requital]

true, so let me correct myself, ret should fit these roles, and what i meant by doesn't look any different, Hunters/locks and rogues top of the meters before ret pallies get BiS.

You realize our class is currently so broken that BiS is PvP gear?

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Interrupts buffs and hands are 100% useless..

Rogues/Warrior/DK/Shaman/Mages(Barely) do more DPS and Interrupt just fine.

Hands are fine but generally covered by Holy/Prot while some Rets use them they don't secure a raid spot with asstacular dps.

We have a buff that is needed? Kings or Might those are covered by a number of ways now and those classes that cover them outplay us hands down.

[zcks]

I wouldn't say were getting buffed so much as I would say they are finally pulling their heads out of their asses and fixing something we have been telling them is broken since early-mid beta.

On a side note they really just need to get rid of the designers like Kalgan & triggole who believe that ret should be kept in a crappy state so we have to play holy to get anywhere.

[Borigrad]

On a side note they really just need to get rid of the designers like Kalgan & triggole who believe that ret should be kept in a crappy state so we have to play holy to get anywhere.

thought those two moved on to the new mmo.

[kenn9530]

ret is needed in any raid as the dps isnt that bad although it does need some fine tuning if you can play good you can be on par with most but depends on alot of good RNG, rets are needed as there are no arcane mages raiding and no BM hunters so rets are the only class left to bring the 3% dmg buff and it does make the difference.

the rets buff makes up for a least 500-1k of each persons dps, i dont play ret much as im holy and i hate ret but being healer heavy at the mo i dont mind and still pull 13-15k on normal fights when i dont really play ret much at all, i hope the fix makes it more fun to play ret as the mastery is too RNG and can be 2-3k dps difference if you get good RNG.

[zcks]

thought those two moved on to the new mmo.

They did for wrath but Kalgan has been put back in charge of things in cataclysm, we do not know if Triggole is back or not but he definitely has people who agree with his POV on the design team

[Borigrad]

They did for wrath but Kalgan has been put back in charge of things in cataclysm, we do not know if Triggole is back or not but he definitely has people who agree with his POV on the design team

they've been quoting as saying they hate paladin's or hybrids, so if they are honestly back in charge the changes don't surprise me.

[zcks]

As you said Kenn it all depends on RNG which we cannot control which means dumb luck is the determining factor.

Also as far as buffs go any buff that we can bring besides hand spells (which can be provided by prot & holy as well) can be provided by most other classes as well.

As far as the hand spells go they may help in pve but in pvp they are completely negated because any mage, shaman, hunter, priest, prot warrior, or felhunter pet can dispel them easily.

---------- Post added 2010-12-31 at 10:41 PM ----------

they've been quoting as saying they hate paladin's or hybrids, so if they are honestly back in charge the changes don't surprise me.

LOL you think their recent quotes are a bad sign look back at some of the ones they made in vanilla & BC, they openly said they felt that hybrids & paladins in specific should have horrible dps specs so they would be forced to play healer roles to get anywhere. After they said that they were silent for a long time as far as interviews went (I think they were told to STFU by GC).

[xile]

they've been quoting as saying they hate paladin's or hybrids, so if they are honestly back in charge the changes don't surprise me.

Please link me this quote that says that they hate paladins and or hybrids.

[Requital]

ret is needed in any raid as the dps isnt that bad although it does need some fine tuning if you can play good you can be on par with most but depends on alot of good RNG, rets are needed as there are no arcane mages raiding and no BM hunters so rets are the only class left to bring the 3% dmg buff and it does make the difference.

the rets buff makes up for a least 500-1k of each persons dps, i dont play ret much as im holy and i hate ret but being healer heavy at the mo i dont mind and still pull 13-15k on normal fights when i dont really play ret much at all, i hope the fix makes it more fun to play ret as the mastery is too RNG and can be 2-3k dps difference if you get good RNG.

3% Damage can be brought by other classes that not only bring that buff but can AE if need be and CC as well as provide other utility so no Ret isn't needed.

I can pull parses from top rated guilds showing BM Hunters or Arcane Mages and no Ret anywhere to be found.

[DionLight7]

as you said kenn it all depends on rng which we cannot control which means dumb luck is the determining factor.

Also as far as buffs go any buff that we can bring besides hand spells (which can be provided by prot & holy as well) can be provided by most other classes as well.

As far as the hand spells go they may help in pve but in pvp they are completely negated because any mage, shaman, hunter, priest, prot warrior, or felhunter pet can dispel them easily.

---------- post added 2010-12-31 at 10:41 pm ----------



lol you think their recent quotes are a bad sign look back at some of the ones they made in vanilla & bc, they openly said they felt that hybrids & paladins in specific should have horrible dps specs so they would be forced to play healer roles to get anywhere. After they said that they were silent for a long time as far as interviews went (i think they were told to stfu by gc).

where was this!?

[Frozenshiva]

i actually thought you were going to say something smart, that is.... until you said the word "arcane".

[Simca]

where was this!?

They also said that Retribution was designed to be a leveling spec back in Vanilla.

[Cryblood]

They also said that Retribution was designed to be a leveling spec back in Vanilla.

Oh man look at how things have... well for the most part changed.

Its funny we have two ret pallies, and most of our raiders have agreed if we had other dps to fill their spots... we would not be taking them.

[Hrvatss]

Yep! Waiting on my pally 82, so I can lvl faster XD, nah actually so I can raid as ret

[coldfiredragon]

Please link me this quote that says that they hate paladins and or hybrids.

wow.joystiq.com/2007/03/01/blue-notes-pallies-and-shaman-are-not-for-that-much-dps/

Thre ya go.