Frost Mage buffs

[msbxghost]

Mage (Forums / 3.3.5 Talent Calculator / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)

* Frostbolt damage has been increased by 10%.


Frost

* Fingers of Frost bonus damage applied to Ice Lance has been increased to 25%, up from 15%.



How does the rest of the PvP community feel about this?

I for one am thrilled for my mage!

[Ace192]

inb4 massive shit storm of "OMG MOAR FROST MAGEZ R OP!!!! HERP DERP!!! FOTM IS GHEY!!!!"

OT: It wasn't really terribly needed IMO but it's nice to have. I doubt it will make or break things. I wish they would take more time to make this spec viable in PvE since I hate fire and arcane. Then again PvE buffs would make them even more "broken" in the eyes of the fail community that complains how mages are op.

[Joaquin]

I have to say, I'm pretty shocked to see any frost mage buffs. If anything, I expected to see nerfs. Two frost novas is straight up bull. shit. Anyway, I would love to hear the reasoning behind these buffs. Because they make no sense to me. Especially as a feral druid... post patch I might have had a sporting chance against a frost mage 1x every 2 minutes but I guess the exception to hard counters are frost mages.

[Snuggli]

Frostbolt buff I can definitly understand, not so much the Fingers of Frost buff. I thought the direction they were headed was "More hardcasting - Nerf Instants".

But hey, if the buff stays there (which it wont), i'll be playing my Mage a little bit more.

inb4 massive shit storm of "OMG MOAR FROST MAGEZ R OP!!!! HERP DERP!!! FOTM IS GHEY!!!!"

and this. Mages arn't actually that good at the moment, and even Blizzard said in the Q+A they suffer at high-end Arena.

[Cows For Life]

inb4 massive shit storm of "OMG MOAR FROST MAGEZ R OP!!!! HERP DERP!!! FOTM IS GHEY!!!!"

OT: It wasn't really terribly needed IMO but it's nice to have. I doubt it will make or break things. I wish they would take more time to make this spec viable in PvE since I hate fire and arcane. Then again PvE buffs would make them even more "broken" in the eyes of the fail community that complains how mages are op.

Ice Barrier and Blizzard received buffs. Then you have to ask: if frost mages did as much DPS as arcane or fire, what would be the point of those specs?

[Deleted]

All I have to say is:

-.-

[Cows For Life]

Frostbolt buff I can definitly understand, not so much the Fingers of Frost buff. I thought the direction they were headed was "More hardcasting - Nerf Instants".

But hey, if the buff stays there (which it wont), i'll be playing my Mage a little bit more.



and this. Mages arn't actually that good at the moment, and even Blizzard said in the Q+A they suffer at high-end Arena.

A lot of other classes and specs aren't even represented in high end arena yet they've received nerfs. Blizzard is smart.

[Nosferato]

if they buff frost dmg they better give dr on snares meeting them as a melee is crappy enough as it is

[msbxghost]

yeah i agree, i can understand the frostbolt buff, especially for pve

the ice lance buff im not so sure about the reasoning for, but i'm certainly not gonna complain if it goes live

[asb]

Mages arn't actually that good at the moment, and even Blizzard said in the Q+A they suffer at high-end Arena.

They actually said they're fairly satisfied with where they're at in endgame PvP, and admitted that they're too strong/easy to play in the low-end of pvP.

[Mindfreakz]

A lot of other classes and specs aren't even represented in high end arena yet they've received nerfs. Blizzard is smart.

This game doesn't revolve around PvP, most of those classes are overperforming in PvE. You are smart.

[Swizzle]

I have to say, I'm pretty shocked to see any frost mage buffs. If anything, I expected to see nerfs. Two frost novas is straight up bull. shit. Anyway, I would love to hear the reasoning behind these buffs. Because they make no sense to me. Especially as a feral druid... post patch I might have had a sporting chance against a frost mage 1x every 2 minutes but I guess the exception to hard counters are frost mages.

I've gone over this countless times. Frost Nova and Freeze share DR and have 24 second CDs. Imp CoC and SB will share a DR next patch as well, making all roots have DR.

To put this in perspective: at 6,742 spellpower my Frostbolt damage is 9,798 and Ice Lance is 3,876. The change brings Frostbolt up to 10,778 at a 2.01 second cast time and Ice Lance damage to 4,845 when FoF is up. Now, Frostbolt would deal 13,000 damage on a Frozen target and Ice Lance would deal 9,690 damage when FoF is up.

Factoring in my Mastery of lol8%, those numbers go up to 14,040 and 10,465. If both crit, that is 28,080 and 20,930 on A ZERO RESILIENCE TARGET.

Giving a flat 35% damage reduction, those numbers come down to 18,252 and 13,605.

Now, a full Shatter combo would deal 31,857 damage in 2 seconds, coming out to 15,929 DPS.

So...are those numbers too high when people have interrupts, heals, CC, LoS, and 120k+ HP?

[Cows For Life]

This game doesn't revolve around PvP, most of those classes are overperforming in PvE. You are smart.

Actually I've already realized the problem with frost mages in PVE is. They suffer from the problems that druids had when they only had to cast Starfire.

Mages have no reason to do anything other than spam Frostbolt and they can't increase its damage without increasing Ice Lance damage. They might need an additional frost spell and eclipse-like mechanic to gimp--er I mean enhance their PVE rotation. Some artificial mechanic to force them to cast Ice Lance or else they'd be majorly gimping their damage. Great design!

Nice try.

[Deleted]

I like how yesterday's blog said 'we think Frost mages are balanced' and today it's 10% damage here, 10% damage there. Good game. I deleted all my pvp gear, I've had enough of this shit.

[Asmodejjj]

This is very nice from my perspective. I play both a warrior and a mage, and I've been feeling a little lackluster with my mage (only 79, but hunters can 2 shot me) so the damage bonus is a pleasant change. Nothing very game breaking, but what can you do? :P

[Mindfreakz]

Actually I've already realized the problem with frost mages in PVE is. They suffer from the problems that druids had when they only had to cast Starfire.

Mages have no reason to do anything other than spam Frostbolt and they can't increase its damage without increasing Ice Lance damage. They might need an additional frost spell and eclipse-like mechanic to gimp--er I mean enhance their PVE rotation. Some artificial mechanic to force them to cast Ice Lance or else they'd be majorly gimping their damage. Great design!

Nice try.

That has nothing to with your first post, or my original post.

They nerfed surv hunters, who sucked in pvp..because they were OP in pve. That is just one example. You just lost the game, please play again.

[Zathrendar]

Ice Barrier and Blizzard received buffs. Then you have to ask: if frost mages did as much DPS as arcane or fire, what would be the point of those specs?

Ice Barrier is nothing but a tiny breather in a raid. The real life-savers are Blink and Ice Block.

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Actually I've already realized the problem with frost mages in PVE is. They suffer from the problems that druids had when they only had to cast Starfire.

Mages have no reason to do anything other than spam Frostbolt and they can't increase its damage without increasing Ice Lance damage. They might need an additional frost spell and eclipse-like mechanic to gimp--er I mean enhance their PVE rotation. Some artificial mechanic to force them to cast Ice Lance or else they'd be majorly gimping their damage. Great design!

Nice try.

That's generally how proc-based mechanics work - where is the issue?

[Cows For Life]

That has nothing to with your first post, or my original post.

They nerfed surv hunters, who sucked in pvp..because they were OP in pve. That is just one example. You just lost the game, please play again.

Shapeshifting. The end.

[Deleted]

The easiest way to get a finger of frost proc is from casting frost bolt due to piercing chill! This means that the buff to FOF means that mages will be even more encouraged to hard cast frost bolts because they want their ice lances to do some more damage than the feeble damage that they do if you endlessly spam them without any FOF.

[Cows For Life]

Ice Barrier is nothing but a tiny breather in a raid. The real life-savers are Blink and Ice Block.

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That's generally how proc-based mechanics work - where is the issue?

You don't have a problem with one button specs? It's even simpler than WOTLK arcane and almost on par with TBC destruction.