Fair?

[Irisel]

Scenario:

Guy is WTB Truegold CD. I offer my xmute CD to him > he offers me 90g > I accept. I xmute the Truegold (his mats) and I proc a second bar because I am transmute spec. I then tell him no charge, because I procced an extra bar and offer him the one Truegold bar he wanted. Then he tells me he wants both and that I am being unfair. I then tell him no way, "what if I were potion or elixir specced?" and put the one bar up and press trade again.

Obviously he was butthurt. Didn't know the guy (not that I would care if I did) and therefore I stood my ground and kept the extra bar for myself.

Was this fair? Should I have given him both bars and asked for my tip, or should I have done exactly as I did, and maybe even also demanded the 90g I required for the transaction? -Why?

Edit: He did not know what spec I was before hand, what so ever.

Update: In game mail...

[Deleted]

You must talk about procing extra before you start the transmute.

[jvbastel]

I'ld say this was a fair deal for both, he got what he asked, for free instead of for 90g.

[Kuddly]

if it'd been me i'd taken 90g and the procc, he didnt ask for a xmute specced alchemist so why on earth would he get to keep it?

[belfpala]

My opinion is that procs belong to the crafter unless otherwise negotiated. He paid for one truegold, and he (should have) got exactly what he paid for.

In the future, just make it clear that you keep procs.

[Deleted]

He struck lucky, and he was to greedy to see it, like 50% of the playerbase.

[Fudruker]

this is a on going argument but the facts are he wanted the bar he got it he has no right to your proc unless he stated before hand

[Chikin]

if you want the extra proc. lvl the profession yourself in my opinion.

[Deleted]

I would have offered him one and charge 90g for it. That was the deal. If he refuse to pay 90g I would kept both and/or COD 1 for 90g.

EDIT
So imo the deal was not fair, for your loose not his.

[Deleted]

A transmute proc wasn't included in the deal he made with you, which was for 1 bar, so it's entirely fair that you keep the other bar, he should have specified that he wanted the extra bar if it procced.

[Kenerek]

I'm with everyone else in this thread, assuming he didn't say "WTB Truegold CD XMute spec" or something. I would consider it reasonable to assume he expected two bars if that were the case.

[Arrowstormen]

well, its argueable, but you should probaly set ground rules for an extra bar, so you dont end up in that "YOU F***ING SUCKER!!1"

[Bloodbane]

When I buy a CD I specify what price I'm willing to pay for each proc in my advertisement message. Ex. "Wtb Truegold CD, paying 100g for CD and 200g for each proc." So there's no confusion, even though people sometimes feel it necessary to flame me for whatever reason.

[Deleted]

i charge 100g and give them proc dont really care about the gold i could make.

[Irisel]

I tend to agree with everyone who says I should set up a what if procc scenario before the transaction takes place. I've surely learned my lesson and hope this guy doesn't lose sleep brooding about it or something.

[Agroculture]

I tend to agree with everyone who says I should set up a what if procc scenario before the transaction takes place. I've surely learned my lesson and hope this guy doesn't lose sleep brooding about it or something.

Its not your responsibility to do so.Unless the buyer specifically asks for a trans/pot/elixir master he has no say over any procs the service you provide will procure.Those are yours and yours alone.

Now if someone asks for a x alchemy master then you can negotiate a deal beforehand.On X-mute masters I charge extra beforehand regardless of procs because of the whole CD thing and a bit more per proc (much lower than the original cost ofc i.e. 50g per proc on a 250g deal for the CD).

EDIT:When I get someone like your instance,I just give them back the mats and tell them to find someone else.They really cant do anything about it.

[Idoru]

Semantics.

If I pay for your CD then I want the result of that CD.
If I pay for a bar, then I'm happy with the bar..

[Elim Garak]

What he was buying? Your truegold CD. Not 1 truegold bar. You had robed him for half the CD and "let" him have the other half for "free". Nicely done.

Next time if it doesn't proc - just keep the single bar and give him half the price in plain gold. No extra fee. That's only fair.

P.S. Imagine going to tailor IRL with your material and asking him to make something (like pants) out of it - he makes like 2 pairs of pants and KEEPs 1 pair. Giving the other one to you and charging you nothing for the work done. Call it fair?

[Krunks]

If that happened to me I would've given him the proc, since it was transmuted with his mats. He wasted money and got a lucky jackpot, it would be fair to give him that extra bar.

[llandrywyn]

What he was buying? Your truegold CD. Not 1 truegold bar. You had robed him for half the CD and "let" him have the other half for "free". Nicely done.

Next time if it doesn't proc - just keep the single bar and give him half the price in plain gold. No extra fee. That's only fair.

P.S. Imagine going to tailor IRL with your material and asking him to make something (like pants) out of it - he makes like 2 pairs of pants and KEEPs 1 pair. Giving the other one to you and charging you nothing for the work done. Call it fair?

... Your logic is flawed. The proc on the transmute is similar to the tailor being given material for one pair of pants and, mystically, creating two pairs.

Personally I make my position on procs known before I accept the work; the crafting fee purchases the 1:1 transmute. Thereafter I am willing to sell any procs back to the crafter for 25% of the current AH price. Alternatively I offer a doubled crafting fee if they wish to keep all procs without negotiation.